Impeachment Investigators Got Rudy Giuliani's Phone Records

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This will be interesting to see the legality and justification for this.
Our Democratic party members have lost their collective minds.

“It is deeply concerning that at a time when the president of the United States was using the power of his office to dig up dirt on a political rival, that there may be evidence that there were members of Congress complicit in that activity,” Schiff said on Tuesday of Nunes’ communications with Parnas and Giuliani.

I cannot believe the audacity of Schiff and how this will play itself out.
Do never trumpers really think this is the way to go?
What ripple effect will this have on our political future?

We need to see the warrants and I hope I am right in saying Schiff will pay dearly for this.

This is what what happens when you corner a wounded animal.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
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This will be interesting to see the legality and justification for this.
Our Democratic party members have lost their collective minds.

“It is deeply concerning that at a time when the president of the United States was using the power of his office to dig up dirt on a political rival, that there may be evidence that there were members of Congress complicit in that activity,” Schiff said on Tuesday of Nunes’ communications with Parnas and Giuliani.

I cannot believe the audacity of Schiff and how this will play itself out.
Do never trumpers really think this is the way to go?
What ripple effect will this have on our political future?

We need to see the warrants and I hope I am right in saying Schiff will pay dearly for this.

This is what what happens when you corner a wounded animal.

Why do you need to see the warrants? Would you know a proper warrant if you saw one? Do you know enough about the law of New York to be able to see what grounds might have been improper?

Do you know how the process of warrant searches work? (it's been to judges and has been argued before they can actually proceed with the search and seizure. And they know that if there's anything snaky in there, the opposition lawyers will tear it apart.)

Asking to "see the warrant" is not very useful unless you happen to be a New York lawyer currently practicing.

The effect it will and is having is that it is not going to be easy now for anyone with a questionable background to enter or stay in politics. This administration has been remarkable for the number of politicians being forced to resign over things like misuse of campaign funds (Hunter), sexual misconduct, and a lot of other things.

That didn't happen in the past.

Politicians HAD been operating under the idea that they could do what they liked and that power and money protected them. They are beginning to see that this is no longer true.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

I'd be so upset if Devy Cowhater Nunes did something wrong. He's such a paragon of virtue that it would be a travesty against the Republic to find out he's actually a semi-sentient feces in human form.

a reply to: Byrd
wow
why do you need to see the warrant?

mkay
so then spying on your political opponent is now fair game?

the days we live in

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

I'd be so upset if Devy Cowhater Nunes did something wrong. He's such a paragon of virtue that it would be a travesty against the Republic to find out he's actually a semi-sentient feces in human form.

yep
and one still worthy of the protections we citizens in the usa enjoy

we still afford people we dont like civil rights here dont we?

a reply to: fringeofthefringe


There is indication that President ''X'' has solicited a foreign nation to dig up dirt on a political rival. Should we look into that possiblity or just ask President ''X'' if it is true or not?

There is indication that a loyal congressional teammate of President ''X'' has also worked to dig up dirt on a political rival of his boss, President ''X''. Should we look into that possibility or just ask President ''X'' and his crony if it is true or not?

a reply to: shooterbrody

I may shed a tear for a member of Congress getting shafted. Actually, I'm lying, I'll shed many tears, of joy.

A judge signed off on warrants, if Cowhater did nothing wrong he's got nothing to be worried about. But, judging by his scumbag track record of abhorrent behavior against his own constituents, I think it may have been justified.

originally posted by: Byrd

Politicians HAD been operating under the idea that they could do what they liked and that power and money protected them. They are beginning to see that this is no longer true.

I'm hoping to see this become truth.

I'm hoping to see the system work as it was meant to.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

if Cowhater did nothing wrong he's got nothing to be worried about

big smiles, big smiles

wow

But, judging by his scumbag track record of abhorrent behavior against his own constituents, I think it may have been justified.

ah a precrime fan as well

nice

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Byrd
wow
why do you need to see the warrant?

mkay
so then spying on your political opponent is now fair game?

the days we live in

What will a warrant tell you? How familiar are you with criminal law? Could you tell on what grounds a search might be deemed illegal under law and which laws apply?

If you aren't a lawyer, asking to see a warrant is a little like asking to see the proof of the C parameter in this paper: link.springer.com... (in other words, the non-specialist reader can't tell if it's valid or not.)

In this age of noise and division, if you really want to see the warrant and if it's legal, contact a real lawyer (like the youtube channel, Legal Eagles) and ask them for an opinion.

Don't rely on an ATS member's ability to tell if it's legal or not... that was my point.

A warrent you say? Are we to suppose that ATT being one of the biggest corporations around do not have a phalanx of top flight lawyers? Are we to suppose that those lawyers were not consulted as to the legality of turning over those records before they turned them over? I'd hazard a guess and say, yep? It was all legal.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

Ofcoirse need to produce a warrant. And some judges give out warrants with just a phone call on promise of evidence to support the warrant the following day. It's not at all like you see in tv shows.

a reply to: Byrd

What will a warrant tell you?

that due process was followed? you know , that small thing we all take for granted......

How familiar are you with criminal law?

How familiar are you with cooking fried rice?

Don't rely on an ATS member's ability to tell if it's legal or not... that was my point.

fair
but there SHOULD BE NO ISSUE with asking the question?
we all want a fair and legal process dont we?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
big smiles, big smiles

Just like any other potential criminal a judge signs a warrant for. There has to be probable cause, if there isn't anything criminal than he doesn't have anything to worry about, they wont turn up any dirt and he can go back to being a monstrous douche to his constituents.

But my intuition says Devy is a sociopath besides despising bovines and probably did something stupid.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Byrd

Politicians HAD been operating under the idea that they could do what they liked and that power and money protected them. They are beginning to see that this is no longer true.

I'm hoping to see this become truth.

I'm hoping to see the system work as it was meant to.

It is. I'm a news junkie. I can't remember another administration with so many scandals... not in my lifetime. It's a side-effect of our "eyeballs everywhere" globally connected world. Politicians used to get away with all kinds of bad behavior. Now they're getting called out and kicked out.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Just like any other potential criminal a judge signs a warrant for.

and the inquiry of such should in no way produce the wailing and gnashing of teeth above, should it?

There has to be probable cause, if there isn't anything criminal than he doesn't have anything to worry about, they wont turn up any dirt and he can go back to being a monstrous douche to his constituents.

how do we know it is not simply more parody from the originator of such in the congressional record?
something about being secure in papers, effects ect....

nunes is a low rent stooge, but we still afford stooges rights here

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

If Dims Keep digging, they'll explode the hand grenade on themselves, before the Trump Admin is ready to pull the pin.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
and the inquiry of such should in no way produce the wailing and gnashing of teeth above, should it?

What wailing and gnashing of teeth? Devy's? Not following.

how do we know it is not simply more parody from the originator of such in the congressional record?
something about being secure in papers, effects ect....

nunes is a low rent stooge, but we still afford stooges rights here

Parody? It's a signed warrant(s), I don't think those are jokes.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

If Dims Keep digging, they'll explode the hand grenade on themselves, before the Trump Admin is ready to pull the pin.

I just want to know who the judge was that knowingly walked into this mess.
And for what suspected crime.

inquiring minds and all

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Byrd

Politicians HAD been operating under the idea that they could do what they liked and that power and money protected them. They are beginning to see that this is no longer true.

I'm hoping to see this become truth.

I'm hoping to see the system work as it was meant to.

It is. I'm a news junkie. I can't remember another administration with so many scandals... not in my lifetime. It's a side-effect of our "eyeballs everywhere" globally connected world. Politicians used to get away with all kinds of bad behavior. Now they're getting called out and kicked out.

I'm 73 - so I've seen a few years in my lifetime -- and personally experienced the "Good Old Boys Club" -- political and otherwise.

I've been in online forums since 1999.

The amount of "legal experts with inside knowledge" on ATS (and other online sites) astounds me