A new progressive idea that families must be abolished to create social and economic equality

a reply to: The2Billies

Didnt we already raise children in tribes so that they didnt know who their fathers were so then all men treated all children as their own and so the basis of civilisation was already crated by not having family units
Until along came religion and marriage and we create the family unit with ownership of wives and children and property.

So its come full circle , we create society as a social species with social ideas and now it seems we have to return to those values

it's not the disslution of the family unit , but the return to the larger family unit as one whole tribe

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Then why does the right defend the treatment of workers with both parents being forced into the work place if it's such a communist thing?

a reply to: Puppylove

with both parents being forced into the work place

Forced ? Nobody forces me to work, nor my wife. We are free to quit anytime. Or If i'm competent, and make more than average pay, maybe my wife doesnt have to work.

a reply to: sapien82

The idea is not a larger family unit, it is NO family unit, rather state raised children to create equality - or mandated and supervised rules for raising your own children. With tech it is now possible to wire a home for constant supervision to make sure parents are all raising their children exactly in the proscribed state - government dictated way.

Basically, the ideal proposed is children raised orphanage style so the outcome for all is equal - or under 100% surveillance so they get used to the idea of government surveillance for their own good of course.

To allow anyone any advantage, like a family with parents is patently unfair according to this idea.

I taught Child Development in Univ. (retired now) and I can tell you that children raised in a loving home with more than one adult who truly loves them gives the best outcome in terms of intelligence, emotional stability, and the ability to empathize and create loving bonds with others.

But the best is not what progressives want in terms of outcome, they want equality, which means everyone must be brought down to the level of those who are unable to be emotionally stable, to empathize, to be able to create loving bonds, to maximize their intelligence and creativity. So the progressive idea of equality is fairness is bringing everyone down, or up, to the lowest achievable level out of fairness and equality.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Oh shut up with that crap. It's bull# and deep down you all know it. Almost all jobs are low paying crap shoots and those low paying crapshoots jobs will always be filled by the majority of the populace because people need to eat.

You all need to stop promoting the exceptions like they are the #ing norm, and then pretending it's all good.

Sure people could just quit and rely on welfare. Is that what you all #ing want? Because that's happening more and more as people realize working for crumbs isn't worth it when they can get the same crumbs for doing nothing.

a reply to: Puppylove

Sure people could just quit and rely on welfare. Is that what you all #ing want? Because that's happening more and more as people realize working for crumbs isn't worth it when they can get the same crumbs for doing nothing.

Sure..if you dont mind taking welfare. As long as I have both my healthy arms and legs...I will rather work, delivering pizzas if need be, than sit on my ass doing nothing..living of other people's money.

You all need to stop promoting the exceptions like they are the #ing norm, and then pretending it's all good.

It's called personal responsibility. But if you prefer welfare...who am I to stop you. Just dont bi*** and vine how the system is crooked.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

The numbers don't lie, personal responsibility does not matter in the grand scheme of things.

If everyone busted their ass doing the best they could, all the same jobs would be filled making the same bull# pay. Only difference would be everyone working harder for the same crap pay.

In fact if everyone went all out busting their ass, then you might not have whatever it is you feel you've earned today, because you'd have a lot more competition and the requirements to earn what you have would be much higher.

The ONLY reason personal responsibility as you put it allows anybody to get anywhere is because most people don't dedicate their lives to succeeding to the same degree. If they did, then the requirements for success would be so astronomical, almost no one could do it.

You need the people at the bottom who aren't giving it their all, without them the requirements for real success would be near impossible. The problem is, you give the people at the bottom nothing to work for, and they just drop out of the work force, rely on welfare, and you end up losing more and more money from your taxes to cover them. Meanwhile the megarich dodge all those taxes you pay to supplement those who refuse to work for scraps, meaning they get richer and you become more and more impoverished.

Instead of targeting the people not paying enough for people to choose work over welfare, you choose to bitch at the workers for saying screw it, because they aren't willing to bust their ass for the same or less than they would have on welfare.

a reply to: Puppylove


Fine Puppy. The system of the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world...is "sh**". While the rest of the world is really enjoying themselves. You are powerless and a victim. None of it is your own fault. The system is against you since you were born. The rich are holding the gates of "riches" and are not letting us poor middle and lower class to climb the ladder.

There should be a warning to all refugees and migrants coming to US.

"Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate."

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

I'm not saying the rest of the world is enjoying themselves, it's not a #ing competition. I have no need to compare the US to anywhere else to discuss the US. I've no desire to become a third world nation, I know they are # holes, so why should I compare my country to # holes? Do you want the US to be a # hole? Because that's all that can possibly be gained by comparing it to # holes. The goal is to do better, and always improve. Not to look at worst places and say, well at least I'm not that guy. The entire #ing world needs to improve, no #ing #. Just because you're one of the better places to live does not mean there's no room for improvement, nor does it mean that things might not be getting worse.

I'd prefer a race to the top that ever goes further, not a race to the #ing bottom where only the worst off ever get to complain, I mean my god, the only limit to worst off is dead because they can't complain. If being worst off is your standard for when we can complain, I'd hate to see the world where you think, "OK now is the time we can take issues with how things are done" because that world must be monstrous, as it would take every other country being dead, and us on the brink of starvation and death ourselves.

a reply to: Puppylove

The goal is to do better, and always improve.

By that reasoning...you will never be content. Because no matter how good you got it, it will never be enough.

I'm making 18 000 $ per year. In a sh**hole country. I'm guessing you wouldnt be bothered to get up in the morning for that money. I'm happy. I've got all I need. The price of gas per gallon is 5-6 $, for reference.

Sure, one can always do better. Individually or as a country. In the end it is always an individual perception.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

If we weren't always striving to do better we'd never have developed tool use and wouldn't even have made to being hunters and gatherers. We'd still be scavengers.

Everything we have today is because we as a species are always pushing for more, to be better and make things better. If we didn't most of us would never make it to adult hood and our life spans wouldn't even compare to what we have today.

The entire purpose of society is to raise us up and improve ourselves and our way of life as a species. So no, I'll never be 'content' because the day everyone is content is the day progress stops.

a reply to: Puppylove

So no, I'll never be 'content' because the day everyone is content is the day progress stops.

when I see what these days passes for "progress"...thanks. I'm good.

You keep on protesting, I'll be enjoying what I got.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

You confuse me with agreeing with every dumb thing people are protesting for.

As for you being happy with what you got. That's fine. There are whole species of hominid that went extinct because they developed a sense of contentment and good enough to the point they stopped improving too.

I'm constantly irritated by and annoyed by most of the insane social justice and other nonsense that promotes rather than combats prejudice more often than not.

I'm a free thinking hunan being thanks that has views all over the spectrum. I don't support a view because it's left or right. Instead I support a view because I think it's right and will improve things.

Like, did you know I'm for the border wall and increased border security?

Did you know I'm pro second amendment?

Did you notice I'm against what's being proposed in the OP?

You can't categorize me as one of them becausr I belong to none of the partisan hacks all over.

I'm constantly annoyed by how often the partisan nomsense contradicts itself. So many things each side supports is in direct competition to and harmful towards other things it supports and if they got what they wanted they'd be doomed to failure due to self sabotage.

Is clear that both sides aren't being lead by someone with a clear goal unless you look at both sides together as both sides by themselves with one hundred percent support is self defeating nonsense.

For example supporting socialistic policies and a weak border. Talk about self sabotage.

Or being against abortions but also against policies to help struggling parents or teaching adequate sex education.

a reply to: The2Billies

if that is the case then it makes absolutely no sense as a plan for anything

why cripple your future work force ?

the source of your wealth

workers pay taxes and if kids arent able to work because they havent developed correctly then
what is the point in this idea
of no family unit , it will cripple any nation or government who adopt that as a program for equality

we just have to face the sad fact that we are not born equal , otherwise we wouldnt have genetic abnormalities, diseases and the like, the best and simplest plan is just to offer compassion to those who have less than everyone else and bring them up to what the basic level is from a civilised stand point

Well both sides can be extreme, so I would watch out. But yes, I’ve figured that some progressives might go after the traditional nuclear family power structure eventually.

My view is let people choose their family structure, don’t legislate it one way or the other.

I’m just as annoyed with conservatives who want to force traditional nuclear families on people when a divorce or gay marriage might be better suited for the situation.

Anyway, targeting the nuclear family might be about where their luck starts to wear thin.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You can see that in school now. They do not teach to troubleshoot or sometimes even get the right answer. They are to following instructions and even if they do it different and get the same answer they are penalized. Big Reason 2 of my kids are home-schooled.

originally posted by: darkbake
Well both sides can be extreme, so I would watch out. But yes, I’ve figured that some progressives might go after the traditional nuclear family power structure eventually.

My view is let people choose their family structure, don’t legislate it one way or the other.

I’m just as annoyed with conservatives who want to force traditional nuclear families on people when a divorce or gay marriage might be better suited for the situation.

Anyway, targeting the nuclear family might be about where their luck starts to wear thin.

The family that science has shown is optimal for children in terms of reaching their full potential intellectually, emotionally and socially is a family unit that has at least 2 adults who are invested in and love the child.

(I taught Child Development before I retired from Univ)

A child raised by a single mom with grandparents in the home has the same outcome as a nuclear family. All "units" that comprise of more than one adult who loves and is invested in the children have the same outcome as a nuclear family.

This type of family would also be considered privileged in the progressive world, because it confers on the child a wealth of advantages that single parent families just can not provide. Single parents are not bad, it is just they get stretched too thin, get tired, get frustrated, lack time, run out of energy trying to do it all. That is why the 2 (adult/parent) or more in the case of living with grandparents is optimal for a child's development.

So to have equality of outcome for all, all family types that confer privilege would have to be rethought according to these progressive thinkers.

a reply to: The2Billies

Is also why low end jobs requiring both parents to work ridiculous hours destroys the family as well as welfares insanely low threshold for welfare for couples making it so a couple must choose to either divorce, not get married and live seperate to benefit from welfare or both work ridiculous hours most of one paycheck that goes into daycare.

Which is part of why poor families are single parents. It's easier for the mother to survive on welfare to care for a child with child support than it is for a couple to work the hours necessary to stay together and afford all the child care necessary just to work.

There needs to be more options to not only support but actually promote whole families rather than punish people for being in one and forcing their destruction.

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
We are free to quit anytime.

Do it and report back to us with your findings after a year.

a reply to: The2Billies

If I wasn't as jaded as I am I would think this OP was a farce, and a joke. But unfortunitly I believe there are people inept enough and evil enough to believe in, and purposefully create such agendas.

A strong society is based on a strong community. And a community is only as strong as the family units within it. Thusly, a strong family unit contributes to a strong community. Strong communities are the backbones to a strong and striving society.

To attack a society one needs to attack the family unit. Break the family unit, then you can tear to pieces the fabric that holds together society.

The OP is just a formula to ripping apart and breaking down society. Which seems to be well underway, and almost complete.

Thank God for the family units that remain strong. They are what are holding the world together. And will still be around when all this satanic nonsensical propaganda is done away with.