If you believe that the impeachment or Durham report will achieve anything

I think it’s about time as a community we all be honest with ourselves. Your political party will never find guilt in its opposition which results in jail time of big name politicians. The reason isn’t because they are not guilty it’s that every politician is guilty and being blackmailed. That’s politics! It’s much more advantageous to blackmail your opponents and control them than it is to arrest them and have to start over again with a new foe.

How many times republican or Democrat have you watched politicians get away with crimes? Holder with fast and furious, Obama with the IRS scandal, Hillary with her emails, lynch with her Bill Clinton tarmac meeting and bush jr with 911 and Enron , weapons of mass destruction. the housing crisis, bailing out banks, the Iran contra, the flint water scandal, and many, many more etc why is it these crimes never get punished? Most of them are extremely obvious and if it was you the cops would have arrested you and thrown you in jail for years!

Most of us sit on here writing stories about how anytime now arrests are around the corner, when the shoe drops its only a matter of time now, the deep state is going down! Russian influence will be proved, clearly trump will be impeached etc.

it’s not going to happen! However, that doesn’t make you wrong in your assumptions! I will be honest as a trump supporter that his call was basically the same thing as Biden did! It sounded like pro quo’s! Even from the written one he handed in.

However Democrat’s botched the hearing didn’t they? Be honest. The Russian collision investigation “botched”! The Hillary Clinton email scandal investigation “botched”! This Durham investigation will be botched too!

To be honest I don’t believe in the Russian collusion hoax but trumps close ties with Israel yeah if they investigated that I could see him being guilty and Israel’s fixing and influencing of elections that’s not even a conspiracy it’s bold and open in your face but that goes with democrats too.

It’s time to take the black pill on this and accept the facts both republican and Democrats. That black pill is that we are ruled by people who blackmail and are being blackmailed and they will never be held accountable for their crimes as long as they stay in the lime light and hold any power. Most people get it wrong and think that it’s one big group And they all have the same agenda. I don’t think they have the same agenda overall but obviously there is an undercurrent of back room deals, power plays that are out of the public’s eyes that involve blackmailing or buying votes.

This isn’t some Q level bs “trust the plan” crap with arrests and death penalties being handed out behind the scenes. It’s simply reality! While it’s fun to pick a side and scream go team it’s like watching a game where the refs are ignoring every call even with instant replay at some point it’s no longer a game but a free for all, anything goes grudge match with no points and everyone gets a participation award and even the fans watching the game have no idea wtf is happening.

I’m not saying people are wrong for arguing that the president or politician of choice committed or didn’t commit a crime. I’m just saying it’s well past the point of wishfully thinking anything will come out of it.

I could be wrong come dec 3 with the Durham/Barr report. But I feel it will fall short of anything remotely damning

a reply to: Veryolduser

At some point the Constitution and the rule-of-law matters. If Trump is allowed to get away with bribery it will be the end of our government.

"Multiple witnesses recounted a quid pro quo – a “this for that” pressure campaign – that involved Trump withholding $391m in military aid approved by Congress for Ukraine and refusing to meet with Volodymyr Zelenskiy, the country’s newly elected president, until he publicly pledged to investigate Trump’s political rivals."

a reply to: Veryolduser


Sometimes, the bad guys win.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Veryolduser


Sometimes, the bad guys win.

Yep, and the politicians, they’re all bad guys.

a reply to: dfnj2015

At some point the Constitution and the rule-of-law matters. If Trump is allowed to get away with bribery it will be the end of our government.

What an absolute cart full of horse sh1t.

The ship sailed generations ago. But Orange Man Bad! So there's that...

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Veryolduser

At some point the Constitution and the rule-of-law matters. If Trump is allowed to get away with bribery it will be the end of our government.

No worries considering he didn't bribe anyone.

And that's straight from the lips of the leader of the Ukraine - on numerous occasions.

The end of our Government will come if the idiotic Dem(on)s get away with a coup.

a reply to: Veryolduser

I pretty much concur with your opinion here Mr. User. It's my opinion that this monstrosity that we call modern cilivlization is well past any of our abilities as individuals to control let alone direct. It may be that it has always been this way, that we as humans have been in this over our heads for longer than we can admit and still continue to believe that we have the potential to govern ourselves.

It may be that we were to long conditioned to believe that the ''big man'', the ''boss'', the ''leader'' or whatever was somehow superior to the rest of us because they were ''anointed'' or just had better skills than the rest of us, I don't know.

But what I do know is that we continue to believe that we have the ability to ''choose'' the best people to be our leaders..
What a frackin joke that is. I look at Trump and I look at the choices that are springing up from the Dems and I have to either laugh or cry and right now I am giggling through my tears.

People voted for Strom Thurman when he had to be wheeled into the Senate chambers on a gurney and had his drooling head lifted up long enough to make a vote. People loved Anthony Weiner, a man who could not stop himself from sending penis pics to young girls. And look at this cat, Kennedy from Louisiana now. How in the world has any one figured that he was the best to represent them in the governance of our country.

It's a sham, as you say. a sham.

I just finished watching ''The Irishman'' on Netflix. Stiff acting and not so well done but it does, as a chronicle of events over the last 40 years offer a glimpse at just how corrupt it all gets up there at the top and how those of us down on the bottom just go for it..

I'm rambling now huh? Offering a lame movie on Netflix as evidence of my opinion. Maybe I should just not vote any more......

a reply to: Veryolduser

from OP:

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I’m not saying people are wrong for arguing that the president or politician of choice committed or didn’t commit a crime. I’m just saying it’s well past the point of wishfully thinking anything will come out of it.

what will 'come out of it' will be more Chaos, more shoddy innuendo to trip-up opponents, the erasing of the terms Treasonous or Sedition to describe the motives & attacks by the Cabals of Deep State actors, seeking Impeachment Articles...

the complete rolling out of the unconstitutional Patriot Act reversal of 'Presumed Innocent' First in favor of Hear-say charges being the New-Normal & 'thought crimes' conjured by the prosecutor against-the-accused as being REAL instead of imagined

Propaganda is the Ministry-of-Truth business model... we are in the shadows of Animal Farm & 1984 combined

a reply to: silo13

So, do you also believe the clinton impeachment was an attempted coup also? What about nixon?
Seems to me, impeachment is the legal alternative to military coups, revolts, storm the palace off with their heads and other violent tactics that so many leaders have found themselves being taken down by... often times resulting in a high number of deaths.
Seems to me that if some were to grab their guns in an attempt to prevent the removal of a president through the legal process of impeacment... a process that is outlined within the constitution itself , would be the ones committing the coup, not those involved in the impeaching.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

The real problem is that genuinely good natured people don't have the guts to get involved because they know they will be thrown to the wolves.

a reply to: dawnstar

You're delusional.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
It may be that it has always been this way, that we as humans have been in this over our heads for longer than we can admit and still continue to believe that we have the potential to govern ourselves.

It has been much much worst. The reality is since the dawn of man its been this way. The vast majority of the world is very corrupt and the one saving grace with America is we are a little less. That little less is actually a big deal in the big picture of it all though compared to how corruption works everywhere else.

So what is the difference today? I would say the internet and the ability to push stuff 24/7 minute by minute. We also see a flood of partisan hacks at all levels and a huge push of the bureaucratic branch of Government to gain more control and push personal political agendas. I bet most didn't know there are 4 branches of Government... lol

Obama played hardball much worst than Trump, did many wrong things, BUT he had the bureaucrats, media and his inner circle of politicians on his side so all was good.

Today its almost like people do not want to govern themselves too. People are willing to give up freedoms for security from a government that at best would view them as only a number and establishes acceptably levels of loss of human lives.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

The real problem is that genuinely good natured people don't have the guts to get involved because they know they will be thrown to the wolves.

I don't disagree here Eyes though it may not be a matter of guts so much as the pragmatic realization that the madness that seems to infest those levels of power is infectious and to strive for that level of power is the devils deal.

originally posted by: Veryolduser
I could be wrong come dec 3 with the Durham/Barr report. But I feel it will fall short of anything remotely damning

Just one correction... you are apparently talking about the IG Horowitz report, not Durham.

Durham is the one doing the criminal investigation, and he is the one I've held out the most hope for as bringing actual results/criminal charges. I've never held much hope for Horowitz.

In fact, I think Trump missed an opportunity by not replacing all of the IGs with people he really knew and trusted, immediately after taking office.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You know, for awhile, I was a Manifest Destiny kind of guy. That we struggle from darkness and chaos and over the millinia have managed to rise to a more effective way of existence. Democracy, where the mentality of following the Big Guy or the King or the Tsar or whatever was being thrown off and we had reached a point where we, the people, could rule ourselves.

But, for me at least, it seems that this is not the case. Though we have managed to toss of the notion of leadership by divine ordnance we are still stuck in following the Big Man.. This for me explains, in simple terms, why Biden is still the favored Dem candidate. He is an old man with faltering mental capacity who should be nowhere near the centers of power. ( did you see him sucking his wife's fingers on stage the other day, in front of all the cameras and the crowds and after all the bad press he has on being to touchy? Even with his wife this should not have been done. Gawd he is awful.

Yet there he is, still at the top of the Dem polls. And I see Trump in the same way. If ever there was a Big Man type of politician, he fits the bill.

And as far as government goes, we should not forget about the other government. The government of the world. That government is the corporate structure that is solidifying as I type. While we argue over who to vote for, Big Man Biden or Big Man Trump, that world structure is like a python behind it all squeezing our freedoms from our minds and bodies. Big Brands rule. Big Brands sell. Oh piss, I'm getting to deep here, sorry.

If you believe that the impeachment or Durham report will achieve anything

It won't achieve anything other than what it's already done.

Expose just how corrupt the House and the media are.

Anyone thinks Trump is going to be impeached and removed?

Ain't gonna happen.

If anyone thinks criminal charges with be forth coming on the very much real FISA Abuse ?

Ain't gonna happen.

The REAL CRIMINALS ( and that isn't Orangeman) will skate as usual.

Because their supporters are literally nothing, but programmed bots.

That simply can not think for themselves.

a reply to: Veryolduser
Many of those things which you listed as crimes in your OP have been fairly investigated and tried by jury. The accused were found not guilty.

It doesn't stop the same accusations being re-hashed by political opponents at every opportunity. That is the political spin and was part of the Russian trolling campaign prior to the 2016 elections. I know that many suggest that it didn't influence them, but the fact that these old canards are being re-hashed is an indicator that you have, in fact, and provably, been influenced.

Let's consider these FISA abuses, going back to the Obama administration, that the Horowitz report was going to reveal. The report has been completed for months and there are no indictments. It is about to be released publicly and Barr is now saying he disagrees with the Horowitz report. Why? Because Barr is in the President's pocket and the alleged FISA abuses were part of Trump's "everyone is picking on me" spin. But, they didn't happen, at least in any criminal sense.

The law cannot charge people unless they actually, provably committed crimes. You have made the assumption that the things you spoke of in your OP were actual crimes and that they were actually committed. But you have no basis for that assumption, as you haven't really evaluated the evidence. All you have heard is just hearsay. An often repeated lie doesn't become truth.

It has all been political posturing and continues to be part of the spin and propaganda (which comes from both sides). The court cases which have acquitted them, either aren't following proper legal procedure (they are), or the accusations were false in the first place. You are choosing to believe that what you have heard and is actually un-evidenced to you, is more credible than literally thousands of people who have dedicated their lives to the legal truth.

a reply to: Veryolduser


Your Forgetting One Thing , President Trump Wants BLOOD After what these A Holes put him through these last 3 Years . He has the POWER of the Office to Jail them if he so Chooses .

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

The real problem is that genuinely good natured people don't have the guts to get involved because they know they will be thrown to the wolves.

I don't disagree here Eyes though it may not be a matter of guts so much as the pragmatic realization that the madness that seems to infest those levels of power is infectious and to strive for that level of power is the devils deal.

I think you described it better than I did.

It's a catch 22.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes