Scientists Confirm Two ‘Hidden Chambers’ in the Great Pyramid with New Scans

originally posted by: purplemer

Explain to me what geological methodology has managed to loose its credence in a matter of decades.

You might try here.

I just hope these old timers who stand proudly behind the BS they were taught back when they painted houses with lead, and wore mercury infused top hats are still around when the truth comes out.

To think that in 100 years of technological advancements, you wouldn't find anything new, is silly. You've accepted Electronic fuel injection in engines. Missions to Mars and other planets. But you don't believe that we can use technology to find voids in the pyramids that cant be seen with ours naked eyes?

Why even have the internet, go re-read those books by Darwin that you studied in school. Haha

a reply to: Hooke

It doesnt hold much water your link. Basically you have two historians saying an archaeologist is wrong. A geological hypothesis that explains some of the erosion and an alternative theory. However there is plenty of evidence to suggest the truth is being held back


How about for example Dr. Dominique Goerlitz & Stefan Erdmann date the pryamidbefore the reign of the Fourth Dynasty Pharaoh Khufu/ Shame no one in Egypt is trying to do the same thing. No what they do is try and prosecute them.

lol

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Hooke

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How about for example Dr. Dominique Goerlitz & Stefan Erdmann date the pryamidbefore the reign of the Fourth Dynasty Pharaoh Khufu ...

Given that - had they bothered to study it - there is copious evidence that the Great Pyramid dates to the IV Dynasty, their efforts (especially the notorious attempts to extract samples from the crew-marks in the relieving chambers) were futile and pointless.

a reply to: Hooke

ven that - had they bothered to study it - there is copious evidence that the Great Pyramid dates to the IV Dynasty, their efforts (especially the notorious attempts to extract samples from the crew-marks in the relieving chambers) were futile and pointless.

Whats your countless evidence. Some graffit on the wall.

Dude these peeps got there sample tested at a university. I smell a rat and so do a lot of other peeps.

originally posted by: purplemer

Whats your countless evidence. Some graffit on the wall.

The crew-marks were not just doodles. They were the names of the various crews who had responsibility for working on certain parts of the construction (see here, pp 124-133). The cartouche name of Khufu appears in some of these names, perhaps the best-known example being "The Companions of Khufu."

As previously mentioned, however, there is plentiful evidence elsewhere at Giza indicating that these constructions date to the time of Khufu - the tombs of notables (e.g., the Tomb of Trades), etc. etc. See, e.g., Reisner, Lehner, etc. etc. ; and other evidence, such as that contained in the papyri recently found at Wadi al-Jarf.

originally posted by: purplemer
these peeps got there sample tested at a university.

Gorlitz and Erdmann attempted to get the illegally-obtained samples tested at the Institut Fresenius in Dresden (a laboratory, and not a university). It transpired that none of the samples was large enough to provide any meaningful results, and eventually had to be returned to the Egyptian authorities.

Are you referring to the one and only "crew mark" found suspiciously in 1837 by Mr. Colonel Vyse which has been a topic of debate for sometime now for possibly being fraudulent? Colonel Vyse testimony even back then was dubious. Its what HE needed to be true to continue his funding of his exploration. Quite coincidental if you ask me.

I guess we're just ignoring that fact that the entire rest of the pyramid lacks any sort of markings.. and its build quality was randomly 1000x greater then anything before, or after it. ( cause that makes sense )

I would prefer something with more sustenance if I were to go balls deep into defending something. There's nothing wrong with letting a mystery be a mystery. Seems these days everyone has an answer, regardless of how much BS its covered in.

originally posted by: Triton1128
Are you referring to the one and only "crew mark" found suspiciously in 1837 by Mr. Colonel Vyse

Several crew-marks, in fact (see Perring and Roth).

originally posted by: Triton1128
which has been a topic of debate for sometime now for possibly being fraudulent?

The writer Zecharia Sitchin first promoted this controversy back in the 1980s, and some people have picked up the ball and run with it since. But enquiries, including for example this recent publication,have found no evidence to support the proposal.

originally posted by: Triton1128
Colonel Vyse testimony even back then was dubious. Its what HE needed to be true to continue his funding of his exploration.

Vyse needed no funding. He was a wealthy man, who could well afford to indulge his hobby.

originally posted by: Triton1128
I guess we're just ignoring that fact that the entire rest of the pyramid lacks any sort of markings..

Apart from all the other markings on, e.g., the core-blocks and the boat-pits.

originally posted by: Triton1128
and its build quality was randomly 1000x greater then anything before, or after it.

Some parts of the pyramid (not immediately visible) were in fact rather crudely assembled.

Just chiming in to mention that such hieroglyphic markings have also been found inside the "air shafts," which are far too small for anyone to reach up inside and fake.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte
Just chiming in to mention that such hieroglyphic markings have also been found inside the "air shafts," which are far too small for anyone to reach up inside and fake.

Markings - characters of some sort - have indeed been found inside the so-called air shafts.

Some suggestions about what the characters might have represented can be found here.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Hooke

It doesnt hold much water your link. Basically you have two historians saying an archaeologist is wrong.

Schoch is a geologist, not an archaeologist. Other geologists (and archaeologists) say he's wrong.

a reply to: kloejen
Wow that is great news!
If I was in charge of the pyramids I would get a drill into the kings chamber quick,and drill a tiny hole up into the newly found space and send a long snake camera up through the hole.
That would seem like the easiest and safest way to explore whatever may be in there,without causing damage.

Lets hope they do something like that soon,and not have us all waiting for years and years while they procrastinate about what to do..

a reply to: Hooke

Is it possible the Pyramids were expropriated for use by some secret gang AD?
The crew-marks look like something Creti might have stolen.

originally posted by: Slichter
a reply to: Hooke

Is it possible the Pyramids were expropriated for use by some secret gang AD?
The crew-marks look like something Creti might have stolen.

a) No - no evidence for this.

b) Donato Creti? Can't really see it somehow ...

c) The aper signs that might look so puzzling at first are all explained here (Pt. 1) (and also in Roth, Phyles, SAOC 48).

a reply to: Hooke

The storm on Jupiter that was so important to Creti would appear in the same position about every 10 hours.
You would need to shoot the position of Jupiter using contemporary instruments and adjust for positional differences.
Maybe 1400's when they were refining the minute time/longitude.
So someone felt it was important enough to modify the GP since that was already a standard for latitude.
Or maybe the Egyptians had that technology 4000 years earlier and the gang just felt the need to say they were here?

originally posted by: Slichter
a reply to: Hooke

The storm on Jupiter that was so important to Creti would appear in the same position about every 10 hours.
You would need to shoot the position of Jupiter using contemporary instruments and adjust for positional differences.
Maybe 1400's when they were refining the minute time/longitude.
So someone felt it was important enough to modify the GP since that was already a standard for latitude.
Or maybe the Egyptians had that technology 4000 years earlier and the gang just felt the need to say they were here?

There is no evidence that the crews and supervisors working on the GP knew anything about storms on Jupiter (apparently not first observed until the 17th century AD).

Equally, there is no known evidence that the AE had any knowledge of modern latitude. Not until the time of Eratosthenes and Hipparchus, over two thousand years later, was a system a system resembling latitude and longitude first proposed.

Analysis of the placement of the crew-marks in the relieving chambers, as has already been explained, has revealed that the markings were connected with the organisation of the work-crews engaged in the construction.

originally posted by: Slichter
a reply to: Hooke

The storm on Jupiter that was so important to Creti would appear in the same position about every 10 hours.
You would need to shoot the position of Jupiter using contemporary instruments and adjust for positional differences.
Maybe 1400's when they were refining the minute time/longitude.
So someone felt it was important enough to modify the GP since that was already a standard for latitude.
Or maybe the Egyptians had that technology 4000 years earlier and the gang just felt the need to say they were here?

The storm on Jupiter isn't a permanent feature. It's a storm (like a huurricane). There's no evidence that it's 4,500 years old.

a reply to: Byrd

The red spot on Jupiter is a storm that is the result of the Coriolis Effect. We have storms on Earth that are caused by the same effect but Jupiter has a much faster 10 hour orbit which causes the effect to be much stronger there. It is possible that a large visible storm has been raging on Jupiter since the dawn of mankind somewhere at about that latitude.

Newton published Opticks in 1706 but there was likely undocumented "good glass" long before that. The telescope Creti used to view the storm on Jupiter around 1711 was owned by the church in Germany. Could the Egyptians have somehow created a telescope out of natural crystals or polished glass with resolution great enough to view 50 seconds of arc?

Whoever was the first to note a dark spot rotating around Jupiter every 10 hours might have had a "there be dragons" inspiration concerning longitude and even foreseen the Coriolis effect creating a storm like on Earth or?

Fortunately Hooke corrected me and made the point that these were just as likely cave porn left in the secret hidden relieving chambers by the worker crews. There is no way I could disprove this analysis.

originally posted by: Slichter
a reply to: Byrd
Newton published Opticks in 1706 but there was likely undocumented "good glass" long before that. The telescope Creti used to view the storm on Jupiter around 1711 was owned by the church in Germany. Could the Egyptians have somehow created a telescope out of natural crystals or polished glass with resolution great enough to view 50 seconds of arc?

Perhaps ...

www.college-optometrists.org...

originally posted by: Harte
Just chiming in to mention that such hieroglyphic markings have also been found inside the "air shafts," which are far too small for anyone to reach up inside and fake.

Harte

Good point and such 'marks' are found behind the limestone 'wall' in that shaft once they drilled into it.