Need some help here, Biden didn't have a prosecutor fired?

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I invite you to watch the video clip here. At 3:00 the woman claims that the conspiracy theory about Hunter Biden and Ukraine has repeatedly been debunked. Then when the blonde girl tried to bring up the events of the video, she is scolded and told everything she just said is a lie.

Now I am willing to accept facts. They are as they say, "factual". But to my knowledge, Biden did in fact make the statement that he had the prosecutor fired, and withheld a loan guarantee to accomplish that. I'm not saying that's illegal, I'm saying it happened. And His son Hunter did in fact work for Burisma. And Obama's State department did in fact question if that was going to cause a conflict of interest.

So I need some help. If none of what I think happened, happened, then what actually did happen? Am I in clown world again?

a reply to: network dude

I think that we all agree that there were multiple countries, those within the Ukrain and the IMF involved in getting the prosecutor fired.

Biden had his hand in it for sure.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: network dude

I think that we all agree that there were multiple countries, those within the Ukrain and the IMF involved in getting the prosecutor fired.

Biden had his hand in it for sure.

as I said, I am not saying anything Biden did was wrong. But I hate to post that same video yet again, and Joe did in fact say he had the prosecutor fired, and would withhold the loan guarantee until it happened. that was real, right?

And who did the investigation into Burisma and Hunter's affiliation? I haven't seen the report. If there ins't a report, or some information proving everything was totally kosher, it's not been debunked. Again, if I'm wrong, I can take it, but I need more than just "it's been debunked".

I hope someone can set me straight here.

a reply to: network dude

Go ahead and post the video. There are always people who will be seeing it for the first time.

a reply to: network dude

But to my knowledge, Biden did in fact make the statement that he had the prosecutor fired, and withheld a loan guarantee to accomplish that. I'm not saying that's illegal, I'm saying it happened. And His son Hunter did in fact work for Burisma. And Obama's State department did in fact question if that was going to cause a conflict of interest.

Why do you assume Biden was telling the truth about that? And not just lying to a bunch of CFR hoodlums to make himself seem bigger and more important than he actually is?

Then there’s the fact that the prosecutor in question wasn’t even fired until months afterwards.

That alone shows Biden was lying.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude

But to my knowledge, Biden did in fact make the statement that he had the prosecutor fired, and withheld a loan guarantee to accomplish that. I'm not saying that's illegal, I'm saying it happened. And His son Hunter did in fact work for Burisma. And Obama's State department did in fact question if that was going to cause a conflict of interest.

Why do you assume Biden was telling the truth about that? And not just lying to a bunch of CFR hoodlums to make himself seem bigger and more important than he actually is?

Then there’s the fact that the prosecutor in question wasn’t even fired until months afterwards.

That alone shows Biden was lying.

Actually, I'm not even concerned with weather Biden was lying or not. My only concern at the moment is did he in fact say it. And what facts are present that "debunks" that, or Hunter's involvement with Burisma.

a reply to: network dude

The woman is making the same tired argument that because some other countries wanted shokin fired then it was totally cool for Biden to issue a quid pro quo/ extortion/ bribery to get the prosecutor looking at his sone company fired

I have shown why this is absurd countless times for over a month here, including the fact all of these countries and Biden and Obama also said Zlochevsky was guilty, and yet they didn’t say a peep when the Obama allied NABU got the case after shokin was fired, and let Zlochevsky go

a reply to: network dude

It's pretty simple actually.

If the Democratic party is caught in a lie, they just flip it around to say it never happened and something is wrong with your version of reality because obviously the Republican party did it.

Then they get the PR arm of the Democratic party (the media) to amplify that talking point by 1,000 and have everyone on the media point out that history is wrong, you never saw that and you are crazy.

All you have to do in this case to believe that is to ignore the Biden video saying he did it, the testimony of the Prosecutor saying that happened and why, the media reporting that it happened and... reality.

So in this case Biden did a quid pro quo to save his kid's ass (a felony) but if Trump wants it investigated, Trump did a quid pro quo and he should be impeached... and if you are not up to speed yet on the process, Biden didn't do it, the video of him bragging about it is just him lying (?) and you're a conspiracy theorist for believing that anything that makes the Democrats look bad ever happened.

Everybody lied.... just shut up and believe it.

The Democratic voting base can accomplish that, why can't you?

a reply to: underwerks

Two points

1. So we know Biden did issue the quid pro quo, no ones denies that, you are just saying he is lying when he says that’s why shokin was fired

So if we know Biden is lying there, why would we not investigate him knowing his son was recite all of this money from a guy Obama and Biden said we’re corrupt? Instead we have to just take Biden’s word he didn’t k ow anything about his sons deal, and had nothing to do with the case being buried

Funny how the people fighting against investigating Biden now claim Biden is a liar as a reason to not investigate him

2. Just because the prosecutor wasn’t fired that day doesn’t mean that wasn’t when the decision was reached. It took a month for them to vote, but Poroshenko had given Biden his word it would happen, according to Biden’s own words

And also you are incorrect it was “months later”

Biden gave his quid pro quo in February, the same month shokin seized Zlochevskys property and Burismas defense attorneys contacted Obama’s state dept asking for help in ending the investigation into Burisma, in part by mentioning hunter Biden was in the company

Shokin was fired one month later

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: network dude

The woman is making the same tired argument that because some other countries wanted shokin fired then it was totally cool for Biden to issue a quid pro quo/ extortion/ bribery to get the prosecutor looking at his sone company fired

I have shown why this is absurd countless times for over a month here, including the fact all of these countries and Biden and Obama also said Zlochevsky was guilty, and yet they didn’t say a peep when the Obama allied NABU got the case after shokin was fired, and let Zlochevsky go

Obviously, I've been following your work on this for a while. But I can't accept that all you have to do is be angry and say, "that's been debunked and you are a liar". We have not devolved that much yet. I admit, we are likely 2 presidential elections away from President Camacho, but that will be just after the crops fail.

How is this acceptable and not called out? Again, I ask this from the perspective that I might be totally wrong. But if I'm not, then exactly WHAT THE #?

a reply to: network dude

You’ve seen the threads i have been doing

All of the people supporting trumps impeachment totally ignore them, or just claim we shouldn’t listen to “a guy with a neck beard” or the sources I use are just all wrong

Even when I provide evidence from the testimony of the Dems own witnesses

It is sad and pathetic. But this is the only way they can continue to push their narrative; if they are forced to look at actual facts and evidence their story collapses

Sounds like more clown world.

Shokin Statment.

I am yet to see any evidence that challenges the claims that Biden kicked out Shokin. I do see a lot of political wrangling as people fight to maintain the status quo of corruption. It goes a lot deeper than Biden with much of the foreign aid budget disappearing into an accounting black hole.

Calling this issue debunked reminds me of 9/11 and pizzagate. Too much toxic truth for public consumption.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: network dude

I think that we all agree that there were multiple countries, those within the Ukrain and the IMF involved in getting the prosecutor fired.

Biden had his hand in it for sure.

That's cool. I'm sure there are other people out there that also wanted Burisma and Hunter investigated so that squares everything up, right? There ya go, just like that, the entire impeachment thing is a debunked conspiracy theory, too. (Dem Logic)

a reply to: timequake

Remember when democrats and republicans and even Rod Rosenstein wanted comey fired?

Remember when we them had to have a 2 + year into trump for firing him?

I don’t recall any of these people saying “how dare they investigate trump! Everyone wanted comey fired so he was fine to do it”

Strange how the standards change when it’s suggested we investigate biden

a reply to: grey580

Those other countries are completely irrelevant. None of their leaders were elected to represent the interests of the United States. If Obama had the power to withhold funds then Trump has the same power and authority.

a reply to: Grambler

I feel a bit better now. Plus, since it's no shave November, I've got some neck beard going on too. Although mine has a bit more distinguishing characteristics than yours. (white hair)

But I'm not loosing it completely, Biden did in fact say that, and nothing has been debunked. Thanks.

a reply to: Grambler

The part that really disturbs me is that there are plenty of people out there that are perfectly aware of the game that is being played, but simply don't care. They all play along so long as it helps their party.

a reply to: Grambler

Other countries wanted him gone for a long time before Biden forced his termination. Biden wouldn't have done so at that time if the Prosecutor had not started to investigate Burisma Holdings, where Hunter Biden "worked".

BTW...What other countries wanted this prosecutor fired? If he was investigating Burisma, it sounds like he was indeed trying to root out corruption.

Maybe the leaders of several countries had relatives (or deals) with Burisma. They just didn't have the pull that U.S. VP Joe Biden wielded.

a reply to: timequake

Have a look at this thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now they article that this thread is about lay out 28 points which paint a damning picture of the Biden’s, the state dept which pressured Ukraine to drop investigations in election interference that benefitted democrats, and evidence of dnc working with Ukrainians to interfere in the 2016 election


Look at the responses. Not one refutation of any of the points, which are all backed up by real evidence; sometimes government documents, sometimes testimony from the dem witnesses

What’s worse, this is exactly what the dem a artsy and their media is doing

It’s obvious to anyone remotely being objective

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Grambler

Other countries wanted him gone for a long time before Biden forced his termination. Biden wouldn't have done so at that time if the Prosecutor had not started to investigate Burisma Holdings, where Hunter Biden "worked".

BTW...What other countries wanted this prosecutor fired? If he was investigating Burisma, it sounds like he was indeed trying to root out corruption.

Maybe the leaders of several countries had relatives (or deals) with Burisma. They just didn't have the pull that U.S. VP Joe Biden wielded.

I was wondering how often a Vice President of a nation like the US bothers to force a small country to remove law enforcement people. maybe it's common, I don't know, but I sure don't remember it happening before.