Europeans look to China as global partner, shun Trump's US

What it shows is that if the US doesnt follow procedure to make these deals ie with congressional apporval. Then they are really only made with the administration that made them. You know Obama and his pen and all.
a reply to: lostbook

Well, imports from the USA going to Europe get Tarriffs added by those countries. But they balk when we put Tarriffs on the stuff they make that we import. It has to go both ways. We need to start making some of the stuff we use here to keep our people working. Never in history has a consumer based economy worked for very long. We need more factory jobs with decent economic policies governing them with living wages to keep our economy strong.

a reply to: tanstaafl

That's untrue in both education and economic models S&C put China overtaking the US - China is set to have more PPP than the US by 2020 and India is set to leapfrog both by 2030, which by then China is predicted to have over double the PPP of the US.

They outperform the rest of the world in STEM education by a significant margin.

China ranks number 1 in reading, maths and science compared to US' ranks at 24, 36 and 28 respectively

originally posted by: bastion
China ranks number 1 in reading, maths and science compared to US' ranks at 24, 36 and 28 respectively

League tables in teaching and learning are all very two-dimensional. Have you any clue to the way Chinese kids are taught? It's learning by rote etc. It's also using statistics released by the government, and in China's case they are hardly going to make public anthing that makes China look less than first-class. China cannot over-educate because an over-educated population will challenge the political status quo.

A better example of educational standards is university education and the product thereof. Quality versus quantity. China has six won Nobel Prizes, the US has over 380 and the UK has over 130.

originally posted by: bastion
That's untrue in both education and economic models S&C put China overtaking the US - China is set to have more PPP than the US by 2020 and India is set to leapfrog both by 2030, which by then China is predicted to have over double the PPP of the US.

Whatever you say ... not...

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: bastion
China ranks number 1 in reading, maths and science compared to US' ranks at 24, 36 and 28 respectively

League tables in teaching and learning are all very two-dimensional. Have you any clue to the way Chinese kids are taught? It's learning by rote etc. It's also using statistics released by the government, and in China's case they are hardly going to make public anthing that makes China look less than first-class. China cannot over-educate because an over-educated population will challenge the political status quo.

A better example of educational standards is university education and the product thereof. Quality versus quantity. China has six won Nobel Prizes, the US has over 380 and the UK has over 130.

Very valid questions. I have a reasonable amount but by no means extensive. The University I worked for was a major link to the Confucius institute, around 15,000 Chinese Students on and campus and a number of world leading Profs from over there and info files from a diplomatic/ecutional UK council if that makes sense.

The figures were released by OECD, but after closer scrutiny unlike other countries China was able to seperate results region by regions (obviously producing false positives)

I was referring to STEM specifically, other educational areas are often neglected for the reasons you state and focus of STEM being primary economic, tech and defense enhancement. China still occupied post. #1 (Shanghai) and number #2 (Hong Kong) in all three, with Macao being the only other Chinese area mentioned in the top 10 tales at #5 in Maths.

The rise in STEM based is exponential in China, Shangai, India and a few more compared to linear if not stagnant growth in other developed countries - hence the calculation showing them surpassing in these areas which power generation, economic output and military rely on.

This bits pretty pedantic and boring but I worked with (Noble Prize winner) Prof David Colquhoun from UCL on a series of articles all about why Nobel Prizes are a bit of a joke and examples of people who won them without writing a single scientific paper because of politics and the impact agenda here that's destroying progress in Western Unis: dcscience.net...

EDIT: I do admit a strong bias due to the impact agenda and bad science corrupting up to MSc level education in the UK - where Homeopathy, course materials which were written by a Mathius Rath who sol/sells MP3 'cures and stops people passing on' malaria, AIDS, all infectious disease and teaching students swilling oil round the mouth cured cancer. The Uni in question spent £10s of thousands in court witholding it from scrutiny of scientists and won on the grounds it was 'comercially sensitive material' - but mysteriously it leaked outsoonafter and the course was banned.

In short: Pathways to impact is a rampant model in the West - it promotes bad science making grandiose claims, while research is areas that do not have an immediate application are unfunded and ignored as a centra; criteria of a grant is labelling a group who will imediately benefit from such discovery. It stagnates progress. Under such a model the discovery of electricity would have been shunned as there was no immediate apparent benefit at the time, but time has proven the opposite.

Completely agree that an highly educated population poses a great risk to the Chinese governments policy and rule which s why non-STEM is taught to such poor levels. If they taught true politics, philosophy, human rights, law, social science objectively there'd by a fullscale revolution and collapse.

a reply to: tanstaafl

How has he put the kibosh on it?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: bastion
That's untrue in both education and economic models S&C put China overtaking the US - China is set to have more PPP than the US by 2020 and India is set to leapfrog both by 2030, which by then China is predicted to have over double the PPP of the US.

Whatever you say ... not...

Oh look your over active imagination doubling down on reality...

a reply to: paraphi

Nobel prizes? They hand those things out to anyone in their clique. They aren't any true indicator of academic achievement.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
Nobel prizes? They hand those things out to anyone in their clique. They aren't any true indicator of academic achievement.

While the Nobel Peace Prize is a bit of a joke, I challenge you to say why any of the Chemists who have been awarded the prize are unworthy, or scientists in Physics or Physiology or Medicine, et al.

Nobel Prize Chemistry or Nobel Prize Medicine

Do you have alternatives?

a reply to: bastion

China ranks number 1 in reading, maths and science compared to US' ranks at 24, 36 and 28 respectively

Must be in the eastern cities. If those millions eating dirt in the west are so smart why are they there eating dirt?

Those smart guys have a lot of mouths to feed. India too.

a reply to: lostbook

In this newest development it seems that there's a change on the world stage where countries are starting to look at China for leadership on issues of trade, the climate and peace accords which the Trump administration has backed out of.

It´s logical for the EU to strengthen their trade with China, since the trade war Trump administration have started. After all China is the second biggest economy. The imposed tariffs on EU steel, aluminum and agricultural products forces the EU to look for another trade partner.

The visit of Macron in China has one purpose mainly after the US officially exited the Paris regime.The main goal for the EU, is to start a race to the top with China, ensuring global efforts to cut emissions remain meaningful even without the US on board. That is to ramp up the climate ambition of the world’s largest emitter according to an article.

As the Trump administration formally notified the UN of the US withdrawal from the Paris Agreement last week, French president Emmanuel Macron was heading to China, plotting to ramp up the climate ambition of the world’s largest emitter.

EU plots climate deal with China

Also worth mentioning that In the Fall of 2018, all the sanctions removed in 2015 and were re-imposed on the Iranian regime by the Trump administration since he decided to pull out of the JCPOA. Given the strong relationship between China-Iran there is certainly a shifting of geopolitical influence.

Peace

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: tanstaafl

How has he put the kibosh on it?

Really, you don't know?

-sigh- ok...

By lighting a fire under our own economy. No way China or India will ever overtake us as long as truly pro-American policies like the ones Trump is implementing are in place.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Sure they will. Its the natural order of things. Empires rise and they fall.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: tanstaafl

Sure they will. Its the natural order of things. Empires rise and they fall.

And you appear to be looking forward to it. Says a lot about you...