What the Liberals believe about impeachment.

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: ChefFox

I am a liberal Democrat and socialist. I get your point the media is full of spin-meisters. However, sometimes you have documentary evidence coming directly from witnesses:

The evidence:

Sullivan: "Soliciting investigations into a domestic political opponent, I don't think that would be in accord with our values"

A week later, Taylor was even more concerned, texting Sondland: "As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."

Vindman: "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine"

Vindman: "I am a patriot, and it is my sacred duty and honor to advance and defend OUR country, irrespective of party or politics"

I don't think you can claim these quotes are being spun by a so called "liberal" media. These are witness statements of what actually happened from their perspective. These quotes seem to me to carry a little more weight than some talking head's spin analysis.

Lot's of "thinking" going on in this post and from the Democrats. But not alot of legitimate evidence of anything other than the same old manufactured outrage we have been dealing with for 4 years now...

I do give Democrats credit though for sticking to their original story no matter how many times it's discredited.

How is any of this discredit other than you don't like what the witnesses are saying.

I have heard countless times from Republicans there is no "there there" with the Ukraine quid pro quo. It's just that the evidence seems to indicate otherwise. Just wait until Bolton testifies under oath.

House investigators seek Bolton’s testimony in impeachment inquiry

This will be a big loyalty test. Support the president or risk going to jail for perjury.

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: ChefFox

I am a liberal Democrat and socialist. I get your point the media is full of spin-meisters. However, sometimes you have documentary evidence coming directly from witnesses:

The evidence:

Sullivan: "Soliciting investigations into a domestic political opponent, I don't think that would be in accord with our values"

A week later, Taylor was even more concerned, texting Sondland: "As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."

Vindman: "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine"

Vindman: "I am a patriot, and it is my sacred duty and honor to advance and defend OUR country, irrespective of party or politics"

I don't think you can claim these quotes are being spun by a so called "liberal" media. These are witness statements of what actually happened from their perspective. These quotes seem to me to carry a little more weight than some talking head's spin analysis.

Is this the fat Soldier popping out of his uniform. If he was in my unit the CO would have given him 3 months to get in shape. He a terd head. He should be ashamed wearing that uniform being that obese.

His highest award is a Purple Heart. I have one of those. Not my highest award though. This guy has been in the military forever and his highest award is a Purple Heart, the one award no Soldier wants. He should have awards higher than that being a COL and working on all these high profile jobs. That right there says a lot about him.

I dunno man, this whole diatribe really sounds like you're bending over backwards projecting.......

When I was in we kicked out many of Soldiers for being obese. I'm fine with him testifying but anyone could see that uniform did not fit which is unauthorized. I was actually ashamed of him. Not sure what goes on in his unit but whatever it is, they are not following Army standards. I'm not the only one saying this either. Many military members are upset he did not fit in his uniform. It looks bad on all of us.

The only question worh debating is whether there was / is sufficient information to warrant an investigation into Joe Biden.
If there was/is then the President has every right to order an investigation AND demand assistance from allies.

Democrats are under the mistaken belief that campaign laws somehow infringe upon the constitutional authority of the Executive branch.

originally posted by: UKTruth
The only question worh debating is whether there was / is sufficient information to warrant an investigation into Joe Biden.
If there was/is then the President has every right to order an investigation AND demand assistance from allies.

Democrats are under the mistaken belief that campaign laws somehow infringe upon the constitutional authority of the Executive branch.

We all know if there was an equivalent scenario with Trump and Jared there would have been more than sufficient evidence to at least warrant an investigation and a huge uproar about it from the left. I would have agreed in both scenarios. At least give it a look, it certainly doesn't warrant just turning blinders on which the left seems to feel since it is one of their own.

He had the absolute right and cause to ask for clarity on what happened there.

I really dont see any of this being much different than this:
If law enforcement in any country knew that another country might have some information on a criminal they are trying to catch that would help them, of course they would call and ask. It would be silly not to and I dont think that would be very professional to not ask for help.

A criminal is a criminal regardless of what position they may hold. It would be criminal to let them slide in any capacity. One that holds a governing office even more so. Any crime they commit is a crime against the people they serve and against the oath they have taken.

Potus has every right to ask for help if he knows it can be presented. He can also ask without any strings attached. Would it be criminal of him or anyone including you if you were in a similar situation to say thanks for the help , I owe you one. Happens every single day and I think I can safely say we have ALL done that at some point in our lives.

The important part is to catch the criminal and then try them in court with a jury of their peers. Letting the criminal walk around free over a quibble of semantics is really asinine to be quite frank.

a reply to: onehuman

Is Joe or Hunter Biden under investigation by DOJ?

a reply to: dfnj2015

Vindman: "I am a patriot

Anybody that starts their conversations with an affirmation that they are a patriot, is probably not a real patriot.

It is like super religious people that start every conversation with "I'm a Christian (Donna Brazile?)....". You better brace yourself for the lies about to come your way.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Possibly. There is a wide investigation of corruption in and prior to the 2016 election. Much of it is unknown at this time.

a reply to: Gryphon66
I dont think anything has been officially declared, but after Barrs trip over seas it wouldnt surprise me at all if there was a couple of sealed indictments with their names on it.

originally posted by: onehuman
a reply to: Gryphon66
I dont think anything has been officially declared, but after Barrs trip over seas it wouldnt surprise me at all if there was a couple of sealed indictments with their names on it.

When Mr. Trump made this request of Mr. Zelensky, was there an investigation of Hunter or Joe Biden underway?

a reply to: Gryphon66
I dont know why you think rewording your question is going to get a different answer from me. I still stand by my original statement in my post. If yo can get some help to put a bad guy away by all means you should take that help.

Now I did read earlier today that Ukraine has actually already been looking into them again long before this cluster mess has come up with the President. So either way they are being looked into.

originally posted by: onehuman
a reply to: Gryphon66
I dont know why you think rewording your question is going to get a different answer from me. I still stand by my original statement in my post. If yo can get some help to put a bad guy away by all means you should take that help.

Now I did read earlier today that Ukraine has actually already been looking into them again long before this cluster mess has come up with the President. So either way they are being looked into.

I'm not trying to get a different answer from YOU, LOL.

Your argument depends on Mr. Trump asking Mr. Zelensky for cooperation with a legal investigation in process. You have zero evidence that there was one then or that there is one now.

Barring that, your assertion is illogical. NO offense, but what you believe is up to you.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
They wanted someone who was impeached back in the WH. Think about that one for a minute.

Who was that?

monicas feeder

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: onehuman

Is Joe or Hunter Biden under investigation by DOJ?

Shouldn't they be?

Actually they both should be campin out in the big house. You conveniently forgot what Biden said on TV?
How about if Trump said that? Would it be different?

If Trump said that on TV, I would be for removal. He didn't. It was Joe. Joe is out of the race, because if he ever got in, he would be removed right away, by his own admission. Maybe that's Hillarys plan, To join Joe as his VP, then throw him under the bus.

a reply to: ChefFox

So according to the Liberals they still believe Trump commuted obstruction of justice by coercing a foreign government into investigating a political rival in this case Joe Biden.

1) I think you meant 'commited' not 'commuted'.
2) obstruction of justice is the charge coming out of the Muellar report
3) coercing a foreign government charge is the charge coming out of the Ukrainian shakedown call
4) numbers 2 and 3 are SEPARATE charges

By all means, go ahead and defend your hero with facts and law.

But stop with the twisted false logic, conflated gibberish, and outright lies.

Please, for the love of America, put your brain in gear before you engage your keyboard.

a reply to: rnaa

2) obstruction of justice is the charge coming out of the Muellar report

Again in that same Muellar report which found nothing not even obstruction of justice. I am pretty sure you used CNN and other leftist news outlets as source though.

3) coercing a foreign government charge is the charge coming out of the Ukrainian shakedown call

Another Nonsense garbage as the Russian collision in where democrats used that charge for two years and half a charge agaisnt Trump as a Russian puppet. Without any actual evidences.

By all means, go ahead and defend your hero with facts and law.

Hows that Russian Collision going? for two years and half you liberals for sure thought Trump would be impeached over it. They found nothing on that Russian Collision bandwagon.

a reply to: rnaa

All this nonsense agaisnt Trump started because of liberal's hero Joe Biden out of the Ukrainian phone call. Whatever you like it or not your beloved liberals still haven't shown shred of evidence.

The fact that adam schiff had being telling whistleblower not to take questions from the GOP side really had shown how one sided this whole thing has being.

4) numbers 2 and 3 are SEPARATE charges By all means, go ahead and defend your hero with facts and law.

Yes and i am sure your heroic democrats have probably found that Trump is an Russian Asset and puppet toright?

originally posted by: ChefFox
a reply to: rnaa

All this nonsense agaisnt Trump started because of liberal's hero Joe Biden out of the Ukrainian phone call. Whatever you like it or not your beloved liberals still haven't shown shred of evidence.

The fact that adam schiff had being telling whistleblower not to take questions from the GOP side really had shown how one sided this whole thing has being.

4) numbers 2 and 3 are SEPARATE charges By all means, go ahead and defend your hero with facts and law.

Yes and i am sure your heroic democrats have probably found that Trump is an Russian Asset and puppet right?

Sure drumph has never ever been in the media before this.