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originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth
Ah, you stealth edited.
What crime is Hunter Biden suspected of in the United States?
Also, as far as the Mueller investigation, the crimes were COMMITTED in the US, therefore, the US has jurisdiction.
Allegedly, Hunter's possible crimes took place in Ukraine, and the US has ZERO jurisdiction there.
So, try again. Why would the President ask for help with an American committing crimes in the Ukraine?
In the Russia investigation foreign actors were indicted for weilding influence, illegally, in the US.
Your question plays exactly to my point. The real debate to have, legitmately, is what grounds were there to initiate a review of the Biden's activity. IMO, Hunter Biden, whilst the beneficiary here, is not the main concern. The concern is whether Joe Biden directed foreign policy to enrich and protect his son. If that were the case , it is illegal under US law - Federal Bribery Statute.
Yes, Russians committed crimes on US soil as did Manafort et. al. US soil, US jurisdiction.
Why aside from his political party, would anyone believe that Joe Biden did that? The deal regarding Shokin that so much as been made about ... the US and EU were all lobbying Ukraine for his removal, that can't be dropped at BIden's doorstep.
And if Biden committed these crimes (what crimes by the way) why would Trump be investigating them in Ukraine?
If Biden committed the crimes here, the evidence is here, right?
You see, your theory just doesn't stand up. However, if we believe that Trump asked the President of Ukraine to reopen some past investigation SOLEY because the name invovled was Biden ... that makes it fairly obvious that the motivation is politically based.
Again, what crimes did Joe Biden commit in the US. Is Joe Biden under investigation in the US? Or not.
originally posted by: SailorJerry
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: HalWesten
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth
Trump is not entitled to launch investigations on Ukranian soil.
That's not what UKTruth said. Trump asked the Ukraine to investigate the prior crimes, not for permission for the US to investigate the former Ukraine government officials.
That's kicking the can down the road, (and not what UK said) but sure, so why is the President of the US asking a foreign power to investigate crimes in their country?
What is the reason, the motivation, what would be driving the President to do so?
Forget that the Ukraine ALREADY investigated Biden and found no crimes for the moment.
Why was Trump willing to bet the farm on a server that doesn't apparently exist and a criminal investigation in another country?
Because Joe Biden was potentially using his office to enrich his son.
That has nothing to do with Ukrainian juristiction.
Lets not forget that apparently Joe got some of that money too actualy
originally posted by: Doctor Smith
Biden is just a minor offense compared to the missing 1.8 Billion dollars of aid money. We will see.
This video will help make sense of the seriousness of the deep state activities. www.youtube.com...
Then why did Trump need the Ukraine to help find something in the Ukraine?
The evidence then is here, in Biden's emails, papers, phone calls, etc.
The story doesn't hold even a drop of water to anyone that's not a Trumpian.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 727Sky
*shrugs* Cool. Vote. Go for it. Been asking for this for a while now.
Why are y'all in such a rush?
Why wouldn't you want the Democrats to waste as much time as possible on this if it is a "nothing burger" as so many ardent Trump supporters keep claiming?
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Doctor Smith
Biden is just a minor offense compared to the missing 1.8 Billion dollars of aid money. We will see.
This video will help make sense of the seriousness of the deep state activities. www.youtube.com...
Indeed - there is a lot to uncover in Ukraine relating to the involvement of US officials.
The information Trump is after is related to all of it - not just Biden.
originally posted by: Grimpachi
Since beginning they have said they were aiming to tie this up at the end of October with a vote so why are people acting so surprised? Is it because it is going the way they said it would?
sorry for bad formatting but its like impeachment just a different name
xpulsion (see below for Censure cases) Article I, Section 5, of the United States Constitution provides that "Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member." Since 1789, the Senate has expelled only fifteen of its entire membership. Of that number, fourteen were charged with support of the Confederacy during the Civil War. In several other cases, the Senate considered expulsion proceedings but either found the member not guilty or failed to act before the member left office. In those cases, corruption was the primary cause of complaint. In the entire course of the Senate's history, only four members have been convicted of crimes. They were: Joseph R. Burton (1905), John Hipple Mitchell (1905), Truman H. Newberry (1920), and Harrison Williams (1981). Newberry's conviction was later overturned. Mitchell died. Burton, Newberry, and Williams resigned before the Senate could act on their expulsion. United States Senate Expulsion Cases Date: 1797 Member: William Blount (R-TN) Charge: Anti-Spanish conspiracy; treason Result: Expelled ---------------------------------- Date: 1808 Member: John Smith (R-OH) Charge: Disloyalty/Treason Result: Not Expelled Note: Expulsion failed 19 to 10--less than the necessary two-thirds majority. At request of the Ohio legislature, Smith resigned two weeks after the vote. (His counsel was Francis Scott Key.) ---------------------------------- Date: 1861 Member: James M. Mason (D-VA) Charge: Support for Confederate rebellion Result: Expelled ---------------------------------- Date: 1861 Member: Robert M.T. Hunter (D-VA) Charge: Support for Confederate rebellion Result: Expelled ---------------------------------- Date: 1861 Member: Thomas L. Clingman (D-NC) Charge: Support for Confederate rebellion Result: Expelled ---------------------------------- Date: 1861 Member: Thomas Bragg (D-NC) Charge: Support for Confederate rebellion Result: Expelled ---------------------------------- Date: 1861 Member: James Chesnut, Jr. (D-SC) Charge: Support for Confederate rebellion Result: Expelled ---------------------------------- Date: 1861 Member: Alfred O.P. Nicholson (D-TN) Charge: Support for Confederate rebellion Result: Expelled ---------------------------------- Date: 1861 Member: William K. Sebastian (D-AR) Charge: Support for Confederate rebellion Result: Expelled Note: On March 3, 1877, the Senate reversed its decision to expel Sebastian. Because Sebastian had died in 1865, his children were paid an amount equal to his Senate salary between the time of his expulsion and the date of his death.
In a letter sent to Democratic House lawmakers, Pelosi, D-Calif., said the resolution "affirms the ongoing, existing investigation" and "establishes the procedure" for future investigative steps.
This week, we will bring a resolution to the Floor that affirms the ongoing, existing investigation that is currently being conducted by our committees as part of this impeachment inquiry, including all requests for documents, subpoenas for records and testimony, and any other investigative steps previously taken or to be taken as part of this investigation.