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originally posted by: Specimen88
Double standards, about where the line of placebo or delusional should be made.
Double standards
Then there that one verse where Jesus should be worshipped as the Serpent of Old.
I'd love to know what happened back then too.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Consider the following verses from the Bible:
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matt.5 Verses 38 to 48
originally posted by: dfnj2015
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."
originally posted by: dfnj2015
There's a theory the Gospel was war-time occupational propaganda fabricated by the Romans to pacify the Jewish people. And also to give legitimacy to the Roman occupation by implying a particular Roman military leader was the son of God fulfilling Jewish prophecy.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: rickymouse
I don't disagree with anything you've said.
I just want to add to your comments. One of the problems I have with the Bible is it seems to imply slavery is morally okay. And it seems to claim or imply there is salvation in being a "good" slave and there is a great reward coming to receive in the afterlife. My problem with this way of thinking is it seems to me to be the product of evil intentions by people with superior intellect trying to control the masses.
Friedrich Nietzsche had some interesting criticisms of Christianity. He said Christianity was born in response to Roman oppression. It took hold in the minds of timid slaves who did not have the courage or strength to get hold of what they really wanted. The slaves could not admit to their own failings. So they clung to a philosophy that made virtue of cowardice. Everything the Christians wanted and wished they had in their lives for fulfillment was what was considered to be a sin. A position in the world, prestige, sex, intellectual mastery, personal wealth were too difficult or beyond their reach. The Christian slaves created a hypocritical creed denouncing what they wanted, too weak to fight for, while praising what they did not want, but did have in abundance, as being worth having. So in the Christian value system sexlessness turned into 'purity', weakness became "goodness," submission to authority became "obedience," and in Nietzsche's words, "not-being-able-take-revenge" turned into "forgiveness."
I think for modern man there are well-studied psychological ways of being. The quality of our character is often dictated by events of our childhood. People can study different types of psychology and become more well-round in terms of human character. I have a difficult time seeing virtue in being a slave.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: rickymouse
I don't disagree with anything you've said.
I just want to add to your comments. One of the problems I have with the Bible is it seems to imply slavery is morally okay. And it seems to claim or imply there is salvation in being a "good" slave and there is a great reward coming to receive in the afterlife. My problem with this way of thinking is it seems to me to be the product of evil intentions by people with superior intellect trying to control the masses.
Friedrich Nietzsche had some interesting criticisms of Christianity. He said Christianity was born in response to Roman oppression. It took hold in the minds of timid slaves who did not have the courage or strength to get hold of what they really wanted. The slaves could not admit to their own failings. So they clung to a philosophy that made virtue of cowardice. Everything the Christians wanted and wished they had in their lives for fulfillment was what was considered to be a sin. A position in the world, prestige, sex, intellectual mastery, personal wealth were too difficult or beyond their reach. The Christian slaves created a hypocritical creed denouncing what they wanted, too weak to fight for, while praising what they did not want, but did have in abundance, as being worth having. So in the Christian value system sexlessness turned into 'purity', weakness became "goodness," submission to authority became "obedience," and in Nietzsche's words, "not-being-able-take-revenge" turned into "forgiveness."
I think for modern man there are well-studied psychological ways of being. The quality of our character is often dictated by events of our childhood. People can study different types of psychology and become more well-round in terms of human character. I have a difficult time seeing virtue in being a slave.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Be warned! Some Christians might find the following post offensive. Please forgive me at the outset if you find the following material to be insulting. It is very much NOT my intention to insult any Christians or their beliefs.
I think people blindly idolize Jesus and idolize the verses of the Bible. But if you have the tiniest peep-hole of an open mind you might find the research discussed in this post as fascinating as I do.
The Jewish people are the most ruthless and belligerent people on the planet.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: rickymouse
Friedrich Nietzsche had some interesting criticisms of Christianity.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: dfnj2015
First of all, to call the Jews "the most ruthless and belligerent people on the planet", is ignorant and arrogant on your part. I don't see how you expect anyone to take you seriously.
What are the chances the most ruthless and belligerent people on the planet are suddenly going to turn the other cheek, submit to their masters, and give to Caesar what is Caesar's. This is just too impossible to believe!
originally posted by: dfnj2015
The Jewish people are the most ruthless and belligerent people on the planet.
Making Generalizations
Another very successful tactic of propaganda is generalization. Generalizations tend to obscure important facts about the real issues in question, and they are frequently used to demean entire groups of people. “Gypsies [or immigrants] are thieves” is, for instance, a phrase frequently heard in some European countries. But is that true?
Richardos Someritis, a columnist, says that in one country such perceptions caused a kind of “xenophobic and very often racist frenzy” against foreigners. ...
originally posted by: dfnj2015
I think people blindly idolize Jesus and idolize the verses of the Bible. But if you have the tiniest peep-hole of an open mind you might find the research discussed in this post as fascinating as I do.
There's a theory the Gospel was war-time occupational propaganda fabricated by the Romans to pacify the Jewish people. And also to give legitimacy to the Roman occupation by implying a particular Roman military leader was the son of God fulfilling Jewish prophecy.
Here is a link to a video discussing the theory in great detail:
CAESAR'S MESSIAH: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus - OFFICIAL VERSION
Friedrich Nietzsche had some interesting criticisms of Christianity. He said Christianity was born in response to Roman oppression. It took hold in the minds of timid slaves who did not have the courage or strength to get hold of what they really wanted. The slaves could not admit to their own failings. So they clung to a philosophy that made virtue of cowardice.
There are many problems with Atwill’s theory . First, the alleged parallels ; For example, Atwill says that when Jesus calls the disciples to be “fishers of men” this is a secret code related to a scene in the Jewish War. ... Atwill’s book is full of these “parallels” that exist only if you already believe Atwill’s argument!
Certainly, the handiest trick of the propagandist is the use of outright lies. Consider, for example, the lies that Martin Luther wrote in 1543 about the Jews in Europe: “They have poisoned wells, made assassinations, kidnaped children . . . They are venomous, bitter, vindictive, tricky serpents, assassins, and children of the devil who sting and work harm.” His exhortation to so-called Christians? “Set fire to their synagogues or schools . . . Their houses [should] also be razed and destroyed.”
A professor of government and social studies who has studied that era says: “Antisemitism has fundamentally nothing to do with the actions of Jews, and therefore fundamentally nothing to do with an antisemite’s knowledge of the real nature of Jews.” He also notes: “The Jews stood for everything that was awry, so that the reflexive reaction to a natural or social ill was to look to its supposed Jewish sources.”
Making Generalizations
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How can you protect yourself from the types of people that the Bible calls “profitless talkers” and “deceivers of the mind”? (Titus 1:10) Once you are familiar with some of their tricks, you are in a better position to evaluate any message or information that comes your way. Here are some ways to do this.
Be selective: A completely open mind could be likened to a pipe that lets just anything flow through it—even sewage. No one wants a mind contaminated with poison. Solomon, a king and educator in ancient times, warned: “Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps.” (Proverbs 14:15) So we need to be selective. We need to scrutinize whatever is presented to us, deciding what to accept and what to reject.
However, we do not want to be so narrow that we refuse to consider facts that can improve our thinking. How can we find the right balance? By adopting a standard with which to measure new information. Here a Christian has a source of great wisdom. He has the Bible as a sure guide for his thinking. On the one hand, his mind is open, that is, receptive to new information. He properly weighs such new information against the Bible standard and fits what is true into his pattern of thinking. On the other hand, his mind sees the danger of information that is entirely inconsistent with his Bible-based values.
Use discernment: ...
Knowledge (gnoʹsis) is put in a very favorable light in the Christian Greek Scriptures. However, not all that men may call “knowledge” is to be sought, because philosophies and views exist that are “falsely called ‘knowledge.’” (1Ti 6:20) ...