I don't want to go down the religious rabbit hole again. A place where seemingly anything can be interpreted misinterpreted and reinterpreted again
when circumstances suits. I look at the whole thing like you would the easter bunny or Santa Claus. If I have to turn to anything outside the hardware
that came with this life I'm immediately suspicious. If you speak from mounts or preach from alters I'm suspicious. If the language is difficult to
follow I'm out.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Another JW error filled thread.
Couldn't you at least appreciate the explanations in the OP regarding the prophecies concerning Jesus in the Hebrew Scriptures (a.k.a. The Old
Can you admit when you are wrong?
“The foolish and the dead alone never change their opinion.” At least, so said writer J. R. Lowell. Be that as it may, it is a very common human
failing to stick to an opinion unreasonably or to refuse to admit when we are wrong.
An outstanding demonstration of this attitude occurred in the year 33 C.E. For some time before that date, Jesus of Nazareth had been teaching and
making disciples around Palestine. The Jewish leaders had consistently opposed him, rejecting both the Scriptural proofs of his Messiahship and the
miraculous signs accompanying his ministry. Then, in that year, Jesus performed a powerful work in the vicinity of Jerusalem that should have
convinced even the most determined opposer. In full view of many people, he raised to life a man who had been dead four days!—John 11:30-45.
Surely, if anything demonstrated the fact that Jehovah was backing up Jesus, this miracle did. How else could a resurrection from the dead be
explained? Many Jews accepted him because of it. But what about the Jewish leaders? The record says that they ‘took counsel to kill Jesus.’ Not
only that, but “the chief priests now took counsel to kill Lazarus,” the man whom Jesus resurrected.—John 11:53; 12:10, 11.
Yes, rather than admit that they were wrong, the Jews wanted to remove all trace of the evidence. Certainly we are impelled to condemn their
stubbornness. One would think that, after such a display of obstinacy, their consciences would move them to reconsider their attitude. But they went
ahead and, later, brought about the death of Jesus—the worst error and the most reprehensible criminal action ever committed.—1 Cor.
Then, despite all the evidence of Jesus’ resurrection, they wanted to get rid of the apostles, who were witnesses to this mighty work of God. But
one of their most respected leaders, though he did not acknowledge that Jesus was the Messiah, gave them counsel that should at least have made them
radically adjust their thinking. This man was the prominent teacher Gamaliel. After citing examples of men who had risen up as self-styled Messiahs
and the failure of the movements that they started, Gamaliel advised: “I say to you, Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if
this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them; ) otherwise, you may
perhaps be found fighters actually against God.”—Acts 5:34-39.
Nevertheless, the Jewish rulers paid little heed to Gamaliel’s counsel. For, sometime later, when the Christian Stephen faced them with what they
had done, and told them that they were obstinate men, “they felt cut to their hearts [but not repentant or softened] and began to gnash their teeth
at him.” Then “they cried out at the top of the voice and put their hands over their ears,” and finally stoned Stephen to death.—Acts
Even in the face of such examples, stubbornness is often admired in the world. The Bible, however, associates it with rebelliousness and a bad
heart—things that Christians should avoid. (Ps. 78:8) It also provides examples, such as that of Pharaoh of Egypt and of the Jews in the time of
the Judges, and of their suffering because of their stubbornness.—Ex. 14:8, 26-28; Judg. 2:19-23.
So, if a person examines himself and finds that he is naturally stubborn, or has the kind of personality that does not take too kindly to listening to
other people’s views, it is good to recognize this as a problem. After all, it is not to the stubborn, but “to the meek ones [God] will show
favor.” Additionally, it is not the obstinate or the opinionated, but the meek ones who will “possess the earth.”—Prov. 3:34; Ps. 37:11.
Sometimes the problem may not be merely stubbornness. It may be related to another characteristic—pride. Related to pride is the idea of
“saving face.” In the Orient some would rather die literally than “lose face.” But most of us, whether in the East or the West, want to defend
our “face,” our prestige or the image we want to present. This is motivated to a great extent by pride.
Is pride a quality Christians should cultivate? Well, when we think of proud people, who comes to mind? Men like Sennacherib, Pharaoh and the king of
Babylon (and even the Devil himself). (1 Tim. 3:6) True, these kings were praised and feared by their contemporaries, but how did Jehovah view them?
The Bible says: “Self-exaltation and pride . . . I [Jehovah] have hated.” (Prov. 8:13) And where is the glory of these men now?
Some people may, for another reason, refuse to admit when they are wrong. Perhaps they are afraid or embarrassed. When they have done something that
they are ashamed of, and have been called to account for it, sheer shame may cause them to deny the facts or to try to justify their action in an
effort to get their consciences to excuse them. Such persons need to develop the qualities of faith and humility and love for God.
Stubbornness is not to be confused with the the firmness of purpose that a Christian must exhibit. It is commendable if a servant of God is
“steadfast, unmovable” in his worship. (1 Cor. 15:58) This springs from good motives, and is firmness for Jehovah’s ideas and principles,
not our own. Additionally, it is allied with two important qualities—meekness and reasonableness. A person who is meek and reasonable will not
find it hard to admit when he is wrong. He will not be too embarrassed, too proud or too insecure to state facts as they really are, nor will
“saving face” be more important to him than speaking the truth. Rather, he will show the wisdom from above, which is “peaceable, reasonable,
ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits.”—Jas. 3:17.
Of course, most of us would not let stubbornness cause us to commit murder, as the Jewish leaders did. But even if in small things we are stubborn,
this is displeasing to Jehovah. “The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is
unrighteous also in much.” (Luke 16:10)
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