"Out of Africa" theory crushed? Meet the Petrolona man

Some of you may have come across the Petrolona man.

The “Petralona man”, or “Archanthropus of Petralona”, is a 700,000-year-old human skulldiscovered in 1959. Since then, scientists have been trying to trace this skull’s origin, a process that has caused considerable controversy.

German scientists were trying to rubbish the find back then and Poulianos' research.

The skull, indicating the oldest human “europeoid” (presenting European traits), was embedded in a cave’s wall in Petralona, near Chalkidiki in Northern Greece. The cave, rich in stalactites and stalagmites, was accidentally located by a shepherd. Dr. Aris Poulianos, an expert anthropologist, member of the UNESCO’s International Union of Anthropological and Ethnological Sciences and founder of the Anthropological Association of Greece, was assigned a research on the cave and skull.

Link: 700,00 0 YEARS OLD SKULL DISCOVERED IN GREEK CAVE, COMPLETELY SHATTERS THE OUT OF AFRICA THEORY

I think that Poulianos' research and study has some merits and the timeframe is incompatible with the "out of Africa" theory. I am also suspicious of the resistance to the find and the rubbishing of the research linked to, with hard-trenched attitudes assured of out of Africa.

Of course the age of the skull is controversial. Tests in the 1980's showed it to be much younger - say 160,000 to 240,000 years old. The original view that the skull was 700,000 years old was based on where it was found in the caves, and it is plausible that it ended up where it did to to geological or environmental issues e.g. being washed there.

There is speculation that the skull belonged to a different species unrelated to homo erectus and was certainly not a skull that belonged to a modern human. There is so much difficulty trying to base a whole revolution of ideas from a single fossilised skull.

The theory that modern humans (homo sapiens) came out of Africa remains the most plausible based on the weight of evidence available.

So , that gives over 100,000 years to go from Africa to Greece
Very plausible .

a reply to: LightYearsAgo

Being that the source is “Greece high definition “ and not front page news all over the planet, I’m going to assume this is fake..


It even screams Christian conspiracy theory, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this is another “White affair” the guy who claimed he found the arc, the grail and like every other mythical item..


He was a fraud obviously

a reply to: paraphi

Of course the age of the skull is controversial. Tests in the 1980's showed it to be much younger - say 160,000 to 240,000 years old. The original view that the skull was 700,000 years old was based on where it was found in the cases, and it is plausible that it ended up where it did to to geological or environmental issues e.g. being washed there.

Even then other fossils found in the same layer belong to species that existed ~350 ka. I really have no idea how Poulianos came up with 700 ka.

I also have to wonder why the OP is so dead set on wanting Out of Africa to be incorrect.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Usually has a religious connotation tinged with whit supremacy.... well or white supremacy tinged with Christianity..


.. part of It is usually the whole “Adam was perfect and we have gotten worse since then” which is the opposite of science.

Plus you have all the additional myths around the creation of the different races..

They all want to be a descendent of the right one of Noah’s sons... all the Shem and hamm stuff..

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: LightYearsAgo

Being that the source is “Greece high definition “ and not front page news all over the planet, I’m going to assume this is fake..


It even screams Christian conspiracy theory, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this is another “White affair” the guy who claimed he found the arc, the grail and like every other mythical item..


He was a fraud obviously

How exactly has this got anything to do with Christianity, if the skull was said to be at least 700,000 years old? (Considering that Christianity says the Earth is only a few thousand years ago)

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Usually has a religious connotation tinged with whit supremacy.... well or white supremacy tinged with Christianity..


.. part of It is usually the whole “Adam was perfect and we have gotten worse since then” which is the opposite of science.

Plus you have all the additional myths around the creation of the different races..

They all want to be a descendent of the right one of Noah’s sons... all the Shem and hamm stuff..

How? That makes zero sense.
Christianity would have you believe that Earth is only a few thousand years old?

White supremacy? That's so bonkers, I am confused. What has this got to do with that? Absolutely nothing.

Idk I’m no scientist but I don’t think humans crawled out of some primordial soup in Africa, YAY skull. Besides when people came about the continental shelf or whatever the eff probably looked a lot different too so claiming Africa is kind of crazy considering modern Africa is mostly unexplored and ladened with corruption and violence damn near everywhere. YAY Skull

a reply to: LightYearsAgo

easy its called european exceptionalism

Europeans believed at one time they were the height of civilisation
and considered all others savage
specifically African tribes , and others indigenous peoples they discovered on their travels

stating that civilisation started from Africa which we know already
but stating that homo sapiens came from Africa in the hands of white supremacists this upsets them because their ancestors would have undoubtedly been dark skinned
if all human life came from Africa

but from a origin in the Caucas region , would likely mean they are lighter skinned or "white"

its just purely for supremacists to say that Homo sapiens were white first

its pathetic

a reply to: LightYearsAgo

I do not believe the Caucasoid form originated from Africa, as it has a significant amount of neanderthal genes, as the Negroid show very small amounts if even that,

I think it is a wonderful thing to have such diversity the populations of Homo Sapiens,

And continents shmontinents, no use talking about particular parts of the world when we take turns about what is the bottom of the sea or a mountain region or a desert, the whole planet is like a Rubik`s cube.

a reply to: LightYearsAgo

Poulianos has been saying this since the 70s. He's like 95 now.

It's a Greek Nationalist thing; most anthropologists disagree.

a reply to: LightYearsAgo

The Out of Australia theory is the most plausible in my opinion.

www.nationalunitygovernment.org...

wakeup-world.com...

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: LightYearsAgo

easy its called european exceptionalism

Europeans believed at one time they were the height of civilisation
and considered all others savage
specifically African tribes , and others indigenous peoples they discovered on their travels

stating that civilisation started from Africa which we know already
but stating that homo sapiens came from Africa in the hands of white supremacists this upsets them because their ancestors would have undoubtedly been dark skinned
if all human life came from Africa

but from a origin in the Caucas region , would likely mean they are lighter skinned or "white"

its just purely for supremacists to say that Homo sapiens were white first

its pathetic

You're generalizing and calling anyone who challenges the out of Africa theory a white supremacist.

Go away, you're boring and butt hurt for no reason.

originally posted by: LightYearsAgo
Christianity would have you believe that Earth is only a few thousand years old?

Only some parts of Christianity hold that view. Most mainstream Christians hold that things like evolution happen, and the Earth as old as scientific opinion says it is.

Scientific opinion holds that the weight of evidence is that modern humans spread from Africa. If this is a problem with those who hold some odd racialist view-point because they equate this with black skin, then that's just plain ignorance. We don’t know the colour of the skin of early modern humans.

a reply to: LightYearsAgo

Though I find it interesting I'm not really sure what to think about the age of the skull. However a few years ago something occurred that caused me to question whether or not we all really originated in Africa. My oldest child had a DNA test from a well known and reputable company and they found absolutely no trace of African originating DNA, not even the tiniest decimal amount less than 1 %. I thought that it was most likely a fluke until my other daughter decided to do a DNA test from a completely different, though also well known and reputable company and she was also found to not have even the tiniest decimal amount of a percentage of African originated DNA. Considering that every other person I have talked to that has done DNA testing have all found that they have at least miniscule amounts of some sort of African genes I found my daughters results very strange, particularly since they came from 2 different companies.

Before you ask, no I have not submitted to testing and will not- no way am I contributing to a DNA bank. Iworry about what such information will be used for in the future.

a reply to: MrConspiracy

No i'm not

don't be daft I never said anything of the sort

you think I am saying that , because that is what you think when you read my post
that's your thoughts not mine.

I was just highlighting why a white supremacist would use this evidence to discredit out of Africa

You are boring , and obviously butt hurt

awa an bile yer heid

and Ive no idea how you got stars for that trash post some serious dick riding going on in here

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Why do you seem so offended that humans might not have all come out of Africa?

a reply to: LightYearsAgo

Actually, the Bible only mentions "In the beginning" and never gives a timeline. People like the ones you're responding to think white supremacy and Christianity go hand and hand. It's an alt-left thing. However, Christianity started a couple thousand years ago. I can't tell you how different races came about other than adapting to the land they began on. That's how Vikings marched on foot through hip deep snow for miles at a time with only bear fur to use as a coat, and never blinked an eye. Certainly something nobody out of Africa could have done.

Out of Africa theory is fixated primarily on modern humans going back to 50k years ago, while the morphology of this skull strongly suggests 250k years in age. We are talking about pre Neanderthal vs sapiens, two different species in two different eras.

How did this become a religious debate?