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War, peace, retardation, iteration and the problem with Congress

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posted on Oct, 16 2019 @ 09:21 PM
The concept of democracy especially as it pertains to our republic is on life support, but not for any of the reasons your favorite propaganda channels are warning you of.

Our Congress (state or Federal; it really doesn't matter) is incapable of doing its job -- creating, renewing or reviewing legislation and providing over site for critical functions of government . It exists today only to provide grist for a propaganda campaign designed to keep you in control. It is no longer possible for Congress to do anything more than that. Allow me to explain.

The notion of democratically elected representatives meeting to decide matters of state on behalf of the people of that state has existed for millennia with easily recognizable antecedents as far back as ancient Greece and Rome. Those bodies drew inspiration from older sources from around the seventh century B.C. Over time, basic rules of parliamentary procedure were modified and evolved into the truly medieval form, with the revisions of the 13th century A.D. shaping the system we use today. Some might argue that our legislative ideals are a product of the enlightenment and that it isn't fair to call them medieval, but that debate is beyond the scope of this particular mud pit post. Feel free to flame on about Robert's rules and so on, but they were not widely adopted en toto until the later 19th / early 20th century and are themselves a codification of long used forms of parliamentary law transposed to other forms of congress and rule-making.

Parliamentary procedure for legislative bodies as we know it today in the U.S. is a primarily medieval concept underpinning a largely late-medieval institution. Anyone familiar with Robert's Rules of Order; the motions, amendments, abstentions and extensions, and all they imply understands the speed at which legislators invoke their cant to create, modify or destroy legislation. As a man who has been alive for nearly 50 years, I put that speed at about 15 months. Generally speaking, anything done more quickly is done for show, though some exceptions remain. Our U.S. Congress coming together in formal declaration of war vs. Japan after Pearl Harbor, for example.

For the majority of the last 1000 years, 15 months was generally fast enough for most matters. Communication over long distances was slow and generally by letter. Travel between major states or capitals was an undertaking measured in weeks or even months, etc. Fifteen month's was about as fast as any democratically elected group could come together to represent a fairly homogeneous society or group and make meaningful decisions on their behalf. This was all well and good as it more closely aligned with the way our brains function, retain, learn and understand new information. All was well in Christendom.

That is no longer the case. Our technology has significantly shortened the distance between states and capitals. Travel abroad is a matter of hours, not weeks. Communication is instantaneous between individuals throughout much of the developed world, 24/7, 365-days per year. Homogeneity has been largely replaced by diversity of background, idea and opinion. Meanwhile, the technological underpinning driving the need for legislation, over site and yes -- regulation (shivers) -- has 'evolved by leaps and bounds. Where Congress operates on a 15 month time-frame, high tech operates in intervals of 15 days or less. By the time Congress can create meaningful (non-"for show") legislation regarding Facebook or social media, for example, the underlying technology has iterated and transformed itself dozens or even hundreds of times. This is what the idiot talking heads in your face-box mean when they speak of "disruption" in industry: the ability to iterate around legislative obstacles before that legislation can catch, contain or "regulate" them.

That gap is only going to grow wider as technology continues to improve and the government remains, "heroically," tethered to the middle ages. For the most part, this has little immediate or obvious effect on our lives. There will be gas stations tomorrow paying gas taxes, for example.

Cracks are beginning to form, however. Social media as we know it has existed for 10-15 years and has gone from something akin to decorating one's PG Folder in High School to a system of complex, data-driven behavioral modeling and prediction. What has become clear (for example, the incredibly harmful effect of social media on developing pre-teen and teen minds, particularly girls) is more than a dozen years behind the move. Our legislators are ill-equipped to understand the technological sophistication behind data sorcery -- even at a conversational level -- let alone at a level required to regulate it or create meaningful legislation to contain it. Wall Street's dramatic shift to high-speed trading and increasingly complicated financial models are another example. At best, our legislators can only act under the guidance of those who manage the industries they wish to legislate, and where those industries obfuscate and omit to retain power, Congress cannot say. It is simply too far outside their purview.

Will they impeach or not? Will McConnell call a vote in the Senate to answer a House bill? These are questions for a bygone age. They are next to or nearly meaningless in the context of anything that actually matters, medium or long-term. But they provide an excellent backdrop to a sport that can be used to both manipulate and bleed money from regular people who imagine themselves on one side or the other.

They don't want you to know this, of course. A great portion of our strength as a nation (or civilization) has always relied on the people -- the "hands" and "hearts" of a society -- to continue to do the right thing no matter how difficult this becomes or how little guidance they receive from their government. Corporations like Facebook have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders first. Their responsibility to congress can be avoided almost indefinitely.

It is not going to get "better" if we throw out all the D's and replace them with R's. It is not going to get better if we string up the R's and replace them with D's. As humans operating on human or medieval time frames, the best they can provide at this point is a good show. An old-fashioned, knockdown, drag-out wrasslin' match for the masses.

Our tools have evolved faster than our cerebral cortex. For better or worse, they are in control now. We don't need "general artificial intelligence to completely "disrupt" ourselves. I'd love to be wrong, but I suspect we could replace our "leaders" tomorrow with Excel spreadsheets and achieve similar or better results immediately.

Of course, that would completely tank the economy which is built on us arguing with each other over trivium and trying to outspend the other to prove a point through our elected representatives. I mean, we can, and likely will, but it doesn't mean they are capable of leading us through the fire.

--A random thought to comfort you as you get ready for bed. Happy Wednesday, ATS peeps!

posted on Oct, 16 2019 @ 09:39 PM
a reply to: 0zzymand0s

I'd love to be wrong, but I suspect we could replace our "leaders" tomorrow with Excel spreadsheets and achieve similar or better results immediately.

You didn't notice, it's already standard operating procedure with the corporate oligarchy in total control. Politics is just a pointless exercise to fool the plebiscite that they matter. However I do admire the production value the political establishment generates to keep us entertained. And for some of us that fraudulent exercise in futility help us put food on the table and pay for our .com account.
edit on 16-10-2019 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 16 2019 @ 09:44 PM
a reply to: olaru12

Absolutely. It's the biggest, dumbest show in history.

posted on Oct, 16 2019 @ 09:48 PM
a reply to: 0zzymand0s

" The concept of democracy especially as it pertains to our republic is on life support "

Truer Words have mot been Spoken in 2019 AD .So , What do we Actually Do About it ? Now there's the Rub ...

posted on Oct, 16 2019 @ 10:05 PM
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

God, I wish I was smart enough to have an answer for that.

posted on Oct, 16 2019 @ 10:28 PM
a reply to: 0zzymand0s
Well even in the 1800s it was refereed to as a dog and pony show.

Its just something people like to see and play at. That is all. Its like Vegas, everybody has there bets and there vested interests.

Even today whats the biggest cripes or what do the most loudest lefties have in common? Its not there ideals, its just because Hilary was more sponsored by big pharma then Trump, and there pills, and some of then are even on the whole weed bandwagon, but little do they realize that if Hilary were president today most of them would be in jail for growing weed.

Simply because its cheaper for big pharma to push there products then re-cater and remake a whole new market.

The rest, of the differences between Trump or Hilary, sure there are some. But not much, and not enough. Still waiting on the whole war on Iran thing. Its going to be hilarious.

But anyways.

I do believe we life in some sort of corporacy or some such, just a revolving door and the politics of greasing hands beacause you know, wink wink, the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.

Even repubs and dems are kind of obsolete, but then again even things like capitalist and socialist, never really existed, but in peoples minds, and dreams. And many of them, hundreads of thousands if not millions upon millions died for there fantasy.

Its called a consumer society. In which such a society, and societies. Lets just say stupid # and people and pretty much all business are subsidized. Very few people actually create anything, you could probably count them on one hand. Its all just shuffling stuff back and forth. And so, eventually this whole stacked house of cards, is always on the tethering edge and will likely fall and fast, come the first real obstacle in its way.

Which is why most of them are manufactured. To keep people occupied.

So ya! Its all a # show.

posted on Oct, 16 2019 @ 11:00 PM
Since when does a politician need to be a mechanic to legislate that a car shall not travel faster than 60mph on the highway or stop at a stop sign?

So too could meaningful legislation regarding technology such as social media be arrived at easily.

"thou shalt not collect, store and sell any data on users of a social media platform. And anyone caught doing so, in even the most minuscule of ways will be put to death"

Its that simple. The problem is that the politicans and frankly we the people don't want simple rules like that; it would cut to much into the technology we so enjoy.

One day however, if we live long enough as a people, we will be asking for more simple laws even if it means the speed of technologic innovation will have to be slowed.
edit on 16-10-2019 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 16 2019 @ 11:34 PM

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

God, I wish I was smart enough to have an answer for that.

Me Too# ..)

posted on Oct, 17 2019 @ 02:12 AM
a reply to: 0zzymand0s

Good post. Another way to think about what is going on is that the internet/social media/cell phones etc. have so quickened the pace of social interaction that traditional government structures are too hopelessly slow to assess the changed situation and react accordingly in anything like a timely manner.

The techies thought they were clever when they proclaimed that internet connectivity would topple dictatorships. At that time, no one realized the same technology could induce a deadly stupor in democratic societies as well. Our technological cleverness has become an Achilles' heel.

This situation won't end well for most.


posted on Oct, 17 2019 @ 08:26 AM

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: 0zzymand0s

" The concept of democracy especially as it pertains to our republic is on life support "

So , What do we Actually Do About it ?

I propose thunderdome.

But instead of "two man enter, one man leave " - we just toss em all in there, weld the door shut, and napalm the bastards.

posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 09:30 AM
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

The techies are pretty clever -- when it comes to tech. They are hopelessly clueless with regard to almost everything else, unfortunately.

It made it too easy to be infiltrated by hopelessly $#&% people who value nothing except profit and market dominance. I no longer believe we can survive them, to be honest. It's them or us and the sooner we realize that and do something about it, the better.

See also: Blizzard Entertainment, an American company who now swears loyalty to China. I feel dirty for every Google search, and every moment spent playing Blizz games. I got rid of my Facebook and Twitter a year ago. I'm still hopelessly hooked on YouTube though.

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