The president has a complete 'meltdown' today following a Congressional vote

Actual Text of the Resolution passed in the House today by a BIPARTISAN majority

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That Congress— (1) opposes the decision to end certain United States efforts to prevent Turkish military operations against Syrian Kurdish forces in Northeast Syria; (2) calls on Turkish President Erdogan to immediately cease unilateral military action in Northeast Syria and to respect existing agreements relating to Syria; (3) calls on the United States to continue supporting Syrian Kurdish communities through humanitarian support, including to those displaced or otherwise affected by ongoing violence in Syria; (4) calls on the United States to work to ensure that the Turkish military acts with restraint and respects existing agreements relating to Syria; and (5) calls on the White House to present a clear and specific plan for the enduring defeat of ISIS. Passed the House of Representatives October 16, 2019.

That's what all this crying about Congress "wanting war" actually says. That the US stand behind our agreements with allied forces. Does anyone see requirements for continual war here? How about any war at all? No?

Rather than incessant round after round of all the armchair specialists (not) weighing in, let's hear from actual military commanders with, you know, years of experience and knowledge of the situation:

One after another, the commanders who oversaw this nation’s battles in the Middle East have expressed their distaste for the way that President Donald Trump has handled the long-threatened Turkish invasion of Syria. Some, like Joseph Votel, the former leader of U.S. Central Command, have been publicly vocal about what he sees as a betrayal of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, a key partner in ending the Islamic State caliphate in Syria.

Muliple commanders on the ground in the Middle East. Not complaining about moving our troops out of harms way, but instead at the ludicrous, ignorant way that Trump handled it.

“What we are seeing in Syria is probably one of the poorest, most uninformed, even arrogant policy decisions I’ve seen by any administration in the last 30 years, and specifically involving this region of the world,” said that retired general officer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “This one seems so arbitrary, so capricious, so uninformed,” he said. The retired general officer blamed it on Trump dismissing advice and relying instead on his gut instincts.

Look, no desire here either for unending war, just noting what a nonsensical blunder this was on the part of the President.

Far from being a proponent of endless U.S. troop presence in the CENTCOM region, the retired general officer said there are a lot of reasons to scale back significantly in the region. Afghanistan, for instance, costs an estimated $50 billion a year in treasure and, so far this year, 17 U.S. troop deaths.

Oh look... an experienced credible soldier puts the lie to 99% of the Trump-worshipping BS in this thread.

Military Times

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: DanDanDat

Tell that to McConnell. He's the one who won't bring the House bills to a vote in the Senate.

Yeah, it's a slap in the face to the Dems who did that to the Republicans a while back. Sort of a "how does that feel, buddy?" kind of thing.

They might think they speak for the people but i don't see many agreeing with them - after all we've even had vets post in other threads here on ATS there support for withdrawal.

a reply to: CthruU

Ever Notice how the Dems use the Phrase " The American People " a lot ? Well , I'm one and was Never Asked ....

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: CthruU

Ever Notice how the Dems use the Phrase " The American People " a lot ? Well , I'm one and was Never Asked ....

Only their Twitter followers count as The American People... especially the fake accounts.

a reply to: DanDanDat

Truthfully, for a House Rep. only their constituents should really count. It gets more complex for Senators who are supposed to represent the interests of their respective states, the governments of those states, not necessarily the people of the states, but that has changed since Senators went to direct election instead of state legislature selection.

Collectively, the House should end up being a representative body of the American people by default.

The Senate should still be representation by one layer remove. After all, the people still function to elect their representation to the state legislative bodies which would then select the Senators although we now directly elect the Senate too.

However, the individual legislators do not really have a duty to think of all Americans and try to divine what they all want at each vote. They are only beholden to their direct constituents (or they should only be beholden to them). So it's wrong to say that Sam Graves (my direct House Rep) is voting for what the American people want when he votes. He's supposed to be voting for what his constituents want which would be voting for what the people in my particular legislative district want. And since everyone has a Rep, that Rep should represent the elective will of the people of that district which is why they vote new Reps every 2 years -- that will can change quite easily, and everyone in the country gets a voice in the House although not always the one they want.

No, the president is not playing insane to avoid any sort of criminal charges, he has not done anything they can legally charge him for. If he had, Muellers team would have charged him or the judicial system would have brought charges against him.

The media and slander from Democrats is taking a toll on him, it would drive anyone insane and paranoid. The media giants and Democratic leaders know Trump has a hard time with criticism and that he strikes back sometimes irrationally.

In the last couple of weeks I feel Trump may have started to crack a little. I can see multiple lawsuits when his terms as president is over, all for slander. He probably has three lawyers collecting evidence, and I am positive Trump will win with his personal slander lawsuits, he may make it to the richest American in America yet, taking multitudes of money from the richest man in the USA at this present moment. After all, the Washington post launched the most slander against him and their false information fueled the other media giants. It will be a slam dunk case with the owner losing half of everything he owns.

That is my prediction of future events, Trump is not a fool. He may be the best deceiver in the country now that I actually think about it, after all he did get elected to the best deceiver position.

Wasn't it the left screaming, crying and wailing about using diplomacy over war???? Isn't sanctions hard ass diplomacy? The left would hang Trump if he cured AIDS, they would claim he is a bigot towards viruses.

news.gallup.com...
"three out of four Americans think the United States should rely mainly on economic and diplomatic efforts to get Iran to shut it down. If such efforts fail, Republicans are inclined to back military action, while Democrats would not."

It is concerning, but not surprising just how well the military industrial complex is represented in Americas congress. Explains a lot of the problems and delays Trump is having in draining the swamp.

The military program under Obama was great for military profits, send in enough troops to keep the conflict going, but not too many to sort out any real problems. Then through the Ukraine back door can sell more weapons to keep the conflict ongoing. Perpetual war is the goal for ongoing military profits.

The only reason I can see why America entered Syria in the first place was Imperialism and to take out Assad. I have not seen a good case why this democratically elected leader should be removed. The policy direction out of the council of foreign relations has little to do with any morality of right and wrong and more about taking competitive advantage of a situation.

It is sad to see just how dependent America is on the blood and conflict of others.

a reply to: scraedtosleep maybe he just got pissed of trying to explain to a bunch of idiots

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Actual Text of the Resolution passed in the House today by a BIPARTISAN majority

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That Congress— (1) opposes the decision to end certain United States efforts to prevent Turkish military operations against Syrian Kurdish forces in Northeast Syria; (2) calls on Turkish President Erdogan to immediately cease unilateral military action in Northeast Syria and to respect existing agreements relating to Syria; (3) calls on the United States to continue supporting Syrian Kurdish communities through humanitarian support, including to those displaced or otherwise affected by ongoing violence in Syria; (4) calls on the United States to work to ensure that the Turkish military acts with restraint and respects existing agreements relating to Syria; and (5) calls on the White House to present a clear and specific plan for the enduring defeat of ISIS. Passed the House of Representatives October 16, 2019.

That's what all this crying about Congress "wanting war" actually says. That the US stand behind our agreements with allied forces. Does anyone see requirements for continual war here? How about any war at all? No?

Rather than incessant round after round of all the armchair specialists (not) weighing in, let's hear from actual military commanders with, you know, years of experience and knowledge of the situation:

One after another, the commanders who oversaw this nation’s battles in the Middle East have expressed their distaste for the way that President Donald Trump has handled the long-threatened Turkish invasion of Syria. Some, like Joseph Votel, the former leader of U.S. Central Command, have been publicly vocal about what he sees as a betrayal of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, a key partner in ending the Islamic State caliphate in Syria.

Muliple commanders on the ground in the Middle East. Not complaining about moving our troops out of harms way, but instead at the ludicrous, ignorant way that Trump handled it.

“What we are seeing in Syria is probably one of the poorest, most uninformed, even arrogant policy decisions I’ve seen by any administration in the last 30 years, and specifically involving this region of the world,” said that retired general officer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “This one seems so arbitrary, so capricious, so uninformed,” he said. The retired general officer blamed it on Trump dismissing advice and relying instead on his gut instincts.

Look, no desire here either for unending war, just noting what a nonsensical blunder this was on the part of the President.

Far from being a proponent of endless U.S. troop presence in the CENTCOM region, the retired general officer said there are a lot of reasons to scale back significantly in the region. Afghanistan, for instance, costs an estimated $50 billion a year in treasure and, so far this year, 17 U.S. troop deaths.

Oh look... an experienced credible soldier puts the lie to 99% of the Trump-worshipping BS in this thread.

Military Times

Nice
You down with the mic neo cons now?
Trump truely has amazing wizard powers.
He exposed your bs.

And send their children there to fight...a reply to: DBCowboy

ISIS...a C I A make believe terrorist group...equiped with american made weapons...funded by rouge countries. a reply to: underwerks

As long as Islam exists the idea of an Islamic State based on Sharia law will continue to exist. Imo, whatever we do in the Middle East which kills the most Islamists is the right move. If we can get them to kill each other, that's even better. Ideally, we should just leave them alone in the Middle East and not allow them into the U.S.. According to PEW Research Center over 50% of Muslims worldwide support the global implementation of Sharia law. Under Sharia law gays are executed, women have no rights & non-Muslims are considered the equivalent of cattle (non-human). Under Sharia law, religion and government are one and the same, which is incompatible with the U.S., where we have a separation of church & state. Under Sharia law, if a woman who is unaccompanied by a male relative goes out alone and gets raped, the woman is guilty for tempting the man. The more devout an Islamist is to Islam, the more likely they are to support an Islamic State.

a reply to: JBIZZ

If we can get them to kill each other, that's even better...non-Muslims are considered the equivalent of cattle (non-human)

So what makes your beliefs any different from those you are projecting?

a reply to: DanDanDat

Yes , Twits of a Feather Often do Flock Together ...Hmm...

a reply to: Gryphon66

newrepublic.com... take it up with carter ,or bush 1 and 2 or clinton or obama etc every one has sold out the kurds

www.nytimes.com... carter even called it one of the biggest regrets of his presidency but sure its allllllllllll trumps fault yes sir i mean if you ignore over 30 years of us policy screwing them over

ESSAY to get world opinion to shame Iraq into halting its political executions and to induce the United States President into mentioning his people's name to the Shah. But Mr. Carter too busy making statements about human rights, and supporting entities for Palestinians, to see the old man. Instead, I he Kurdish leader was coIdly received last summer by the former Kissinger aide who was in charge of first supplying the Kurds with supplies, and then cutting them off: none other than A. Leroy Atherton, now in Cairo as Mr. Carter's Assistant Secretary of State for the Mideast. Making certain the Kurdish pleas are not heard by President Carter is the man who took over covert connections with the Kurds from Colonel Kennedy in 1973, and who then personally handled the supply and cutoff decisions for Mr. Kissinger: Harold H. Saunders, whose reincarnation in the Carter Administration is as Director of Intelligence for the Department of State. As he focuses on the Mideast, Plosident Carter would do well to consider the only human beings in that area currently being harassed, and their leaders executed, for daring to demand the kind of internal autonomy now being offered to Palestinian Arabs, and rejected by Iraq's rejectionists, The Kurdish sellout was a stain on the Nixon‐Ford years: by turning away, by refusing to rectify a wrong, Mr. Carter tacitly makes that disgrace his own.

but hey kissenger was involved and we all know how that goes but yes orange man bad peachmints over something the us has sadly done for decades

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yeah , and those Same Great " Military Minds " had No Problem with Obama Killing them from Within for 8 Years ? ......Hmm............

a reply to: olaru12

is trump launching the air strikes or firing the bullets that kill them or is it the leader of turky who we all knows loves genocide i mean i guess we could ask the armenians about that but oh wait the turks slaughtered them

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: underwerks

do you need a frigging geography lesson? they aren't attacking inclirk

I think I speak for everyone when I point out you might be in need of that lesson, or at least spelling assistance. I know of no "Inclirk" on any map of any country.

If you're going to mock someone, don't f# up the place's spelling