Bernie Sanders Home Run Rant Last Night in The Presenditial Debate!

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: MrBlaq

Telling people to suck it up and work harder is not a discussion, and is exactly what most of the right's tslking points boils down to.

I don't disagree with you on a lot of your points on this thread, but, you have to understand one thing. Most jobs these days are not intended to make you prosper. They are intended to keep you hooked just enough to keep showing you up for work, and sadly many jobs only barely do that. The way our society works now, is that money flows towards the top. Its just the laws of physics (or greed if you prefer). The ONLY way to escape that paradigm, is to create a situation where you are self employed. You will almost certainly NEVER prosper working for someone else. They don't care if you prosper, only that you show up to do the work that allows THEM to prosper. And lets face it, that is NEVER going to change. But you can prosper if you work for yourself. That's where I think we need to focus, make it easier for people to become self employed, in fact make it extremely favorable. Socialism is not going to work in this country, for a myriad of reasons. One of the main ones is they will never be able to create a revenue stream through taxes that will create the kind of standard of living that people like Sanders envision for everyone when we now live in what is largely a service economy that is comprised of low wage hourly jobs. Yes you can tax the hell out of the rich, but again, they are not a large enough population to create the revenue stream needed to create the kind of socialist paradise Bernie Sanders envisions. Yes, socialism works in countries like Denmark and Switzerland, but these are countries with relatively homogenous small populations with a job base that pays much better than here. If we try socialism in 2019 America, we will look like Venezuela or worse within 10 years.

a reply to: openminded2011

Making it easier for people to be self employed won't help. There will always be a need for employees. We need to stop pretending like being an employee is a bad thing, and we should accept bad conditions for them. The majority of work available will ALWAYS be as employees. Heck most small businesses fail terribly leaving massive debt. Telling people who don't have what it takes to start a business is as bad as trying to convince everyone to go to college.

Not everyone is cut out for college, or opening a small business. Some people are simply grunts, and that's ok, we need them, and no one can succeed without having some grunts working for them. We need to stop pretending like everyone can own a small business, succeed at college and find a high paying job with their degree, or work infinite hours without falling apart. Not everyone has these capabilities, and that's ok, we still need them to keep society afloat. What's not ok is throwing these people, who are the vast majority of society, under the bus, for the benefit of the few.

I'm not saying grunt work deserves a mansion, luxury cars, or anything absurd like that, but stability, yeah they deserve that. Is why we need to find a way to make the pay from jobs come after the basic needs of food, shelter and medical care is met. Welfare as I've said has a problem in that it does the same thing a low end job does, but without the work. Work needs to stop being the source of basic necessities, ESPECIALLY medical care.

Oh right, and another problem with welfare, it cuts off WAY before you're working enough to cover everything you lose when you get off it. The biggest thing being the medical care. I can't count on one hand how many people I know personally who are stuck on welfare because near any amount of work will cut off their health benefits, and none of them can afford a lapse in coverage.

Bernie Sanders Home Run Rant Last Night in The Presenditial Debate!

Really is amazing people still listen to comrade Sanders.

a reply to: Waterglass

Ah , Who's " Bernie Sanders " Again ?