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originally posted by: Maroboduus
originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Maroboduus
Your complete and utter lack of self-awareness amuses me.
Quoted for irony.
I got a giggle out of your post too sweety but anything I say to you after this post is just more time wasted.
Have a nice night.
I was going to invite you to give an example of my supposed lack of self-awareness.... but then i recognized your name and realized who i was talking to. Trying to engage you in anything even remotely resembling an intelligent, informed, and/or nuanced conversation would be the very definition of "futile." Whenever i joke with my friends about some of the more ridiculous and uninformed and downright embarrassing corners of ATS, your posts are almost always the ones i show them in order for us to have a good laugh. You have inadvertantly amused quite a few of my friends...
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Maroboduus
You appear emotional, angry. Maybe constipated. I don't know.
Have you tried some soothing green tea and leafy greens in your diet?
I and many others will wait patiently for logic to win the day, once you provide some.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Maroboduus
Okay, lets start slowly, I'm not very smart.
You are saying that the media tells the truth, correct?
So post a crime committed by Trump.
Let's see the jail time.
Actual evidence or anything that has gone to court and he has been found guilty of... ever?
originally posted by: Oraculi
originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Maroboduus
Lol? You and the ONLY person to back you up, joined in August or later.
Trolling isnt accepted here, nor are we the mental midgets susceptible to 101 psychology efforts you think we are...
move along
That was my point too. Why even post here?
Nobody has even remotely touched on what he wrote about and it's at two pages of personal attacks, slander and flat out name calling.
There is ZERO civil discourse on ATS at the moment. It appears to me that the whole website is just a breeding ground for radicalization. There is no way to remain neutral or moderate even if you begin that way. The members, and the staff, very quickly force you to pick a side and from that point push and push until a person is so far radicalized to one side or the other, you can't even remember your original values.
I'm beginning to think ATS exists to divide us and radicalize us. If true, posting here only furthers that hidden agenda.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Lumenari
Apparently, we aren't very trusting of the MSM. And that's on us.
We're bad and slow because we're skeptical of what the media tells us.
At least that's what I'm getting from the OP.
My "Reee to English" translator is glitchy tonight.
originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Maroboduus
So post a crime committed by Trump.
Let's see the jail time.
Actual evidence or anything that has gone to court and he has been found guilty of... ever?
Until then, I'll gladly scroll past your TDS word salad and get to the interesting part of your OP...
The comments.
Innocent until proven guilty is something the left can't get around... although they are really trying right now.
originally posted by: Maroboduus
The amount of support i see on here for Trump, and the sheer gullibility and level of ignorance of most of those who do so, is frankly mind-boggling to me. Put politics and ideologies aside. This isnt even about that. This is about common sense and critical thinking.
Let me break down just one of the most basic and simple reasons that it is unbelievably foolish to believe Trump's claims:
On one side, you have Trump. A man who has been (credibly) tied to a vast multitude of misdeeds, stretching back to far before his Presidency. A man who, in spite of his supposed innocence, is going to incredible lengths to prevent witnesses from testifying against him, which is a very strange thing to do for someone who claims to have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide. A man who has been accused of sexual assault by over 2 dozen women (that's an awful lot of smoke to assume that there is no fire)(not to mention that he was even caught on video saying that his "strategy" with women is to "grab them by the p***y"). A man who ( Republican) Robert Mueller said had left a significant trail of evidence regarding criminal activity, collusion, etc etc (he just didnt believe in prosecuting a sitting president). A man who numerous intelligence employees and NSC employees and diplomats and WH staffers and so forth, many of them Republican and many of them appointed by Trump himself, have stated was engaging in criminal activity in the White House and/or who say they directly witnessed said wrongdoing. A man who has been caught telling literally hundreds of verifiably false lies over the past 3 years.
On the other side, you have: thousands upon thousands of independent and unrelated journalists, reporters, investigators, etc etc, from all areas of the world and all walks of life and all areas of the political spectrum and working for a vast multitude of different employers and news agencies, who have reported wrongdoing by Trump. You have the aforementioned intelligence employees, NSC employees, diplomats, WH staff, etc etc, who have reported wrongdoing by Trump or claimed to have witnessed wrongdoing by Trump. You have prosecutors and judges in NY. You have the 2 dozen-plus women who have accused him of sexual assault. You have men like Mueller, by virtually all accounts an honest man who was known as a dedicated servant/employee of the US, who explicitly stated that there was ample evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. And so on and so on and so on and so on...
So on one side, you have one man with a vast multitude of credible accusations lodged against him. On the other, you have thousands of investigative journalists and reporters and media members, dozens of women, dozens of US government employees from both sides of the political aisle, etc etc etc.
In order to believe Trump, you have to believe that ALL of those thousands of people, most of them unrelated to each other in any way and independent of each other and separate from each other, are all somehow engaged in some incredibly vast conspiracy against Trump, for some mysterious and idiotic reason.
SO.... what is more likely? Literally thousands of unrelated, independent people all lying about Trump and all engaged in some unfathomably vast conspiracy against him for reasons that no one can credibly explain? Or that the one man on the other side is lying?
Thousands of people all telling the same lie, or one man lying? Which seems more likely to you?
Apply Occam's Razor. This really, really, REALLY should not be difficult to figure out.
-One explanation depends upon an unfathomably vast and complex conspiracy involving people all over the world from all walks of life and all areas of the political spectrum.
-The other depends upon one man lying. ONE MAN. Feel free to take into account that Trump has already been caught telling literally hundreds of verifiably false lies over the past 3 years, if you would like!
Occam's Razor has stood the test of time for a reaaon. If one explanation depends upon a mind-boggling amount of moving parts and an incredibly vast number of people engaging in an incredibly vast conspiracy, and the other explanation depends upon a single man being a liar.... guess which one you would have to be unbelievably foolish to believe? Guess which one any truly unbiased and semi-intelligent person would say is more logical and credible?
One man being a liar, versus countless people engaged in an unfathomably vast conspiracy. Again... this REALLY shouldnt be hard to figure out. Stop being gullible. Stop falling for blatantly transparent con man BS. Start thinking for yourself. Start using critical thought. Stop being willfully stupid. This is exceedingly easy to figure out. Stop being willfully ignorant.
A truth that depends upon an immense amount of unrelated people engaging in a vast conpiracy, versus a truth that depends upon a single man lying. It couldnt be more simple and obvious.
On the other side, you have: thousands upon thousands of independent and unrelated journalists, reporters, investigators, etc etc, from all areas of the world and all walks of life and all areas of the political spectrum and working for a vast multitude of different employers and news agencies, who have reported wrongdoing by Trump.