What the left believes versus what the right believes

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: dfnj2015
I am sick and tired of being called a communist or socialist. My problem with people on the right is they are always trying to label people. People on the right are always determined to define what it means to be on the left. I'm sure people could possibly perceive the left as being the same way with the right. But I don't think people on the left have the "my way or the highway" mentality as strong as the people on the right do.

Recently I was in a thread and someone posted the following:

"The right believes in small government, and big freedom. "

"the left believes in big gov and restriction of rights"

This is a rather derogatory and negative way of looking at the left. So given than I am a liberal Democrat and much further to the left the many of the Trump cultists posting on ATS everyday here is my way of characterization left versus right. I tried to do this a little more fairly but it is impossible for me not to be a little derogatory of the right.

The right believes in anarchy, laissez faire capitalism, exploitation of workers, gouging consumers, freedom from consumer protections laws, and paying politicians to pass laws preventing competition in order to have monopolies and cartels.

The left believes government has a role in regulating businesses and ensuring free-markets, protecting consumers, protecting workers rights with public policies, and tempering the excesses and inequalities created by laissez faire capitalism.

It's kind of mind boggling to me the way the right thinks. It's always all or nothing. I see government has a role in curbing the abuses of power by having so much wealth concentrated into so few hands. However, if you say anything at all, even the most mildest regulation, the response is like a nuclear bomb of absolutes like calling someone a "communist". If you propose one small law at all for regulating business you are supposedly eliminating private ownership of companies in some people's eyes. It's either absolute freedom or communism. There is no in between.

I think government has a role in promoting the commonwealth and general welfare. I think the words of FDR best characterize what in means to be liberal Democrat.

"An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor - other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government."

Speech before the 1936 Democratic National Convention

I don't think Republicans and people on the right get to define what it means to be on the left. I think what it means to be on the left is mostly the responsibility of people who ARE on the left.

I do not have much hope things are going to change with people on the right. People are the right are not going to evolve into having the ability to make compromises.

Until the dollar collapses to nothing in value the majority of people really do not care much about politics. And if they did I'm not sure the way the system is rigged anyone could really do anything about it. The real owners of this country are never going to allow any real change from our scarcity economy no matter how much gains come in productivity from automation. Scarcity and controlling access is the source of the billionaires power.

The left consist of antifa, LGBTQ, BLM, hollyweird, muslims, illegal aliens, the fake media.

Normal people running to the right and fast.

Because of the left and their radical ideas, more and more people are going to Republican.

The left are mostly guided by passion and are beelding heart liberals.

The right are still using common sense and have the balls to make decisions that will help Americans first.

The left care more about illegal aliens than they do citizens.

So this is a funny one to me. The left is often criticized for being godless, and yet they are the ones ruled by emotion and feelings. Not rational, like the right. A large percentage of which are the Christian Right, who logically believe in a telepathic Jewish zombie who watches our every move and condemns to hellfire anyone who doesn’t follow his dictates. No contradiction there.

And there’s the fact that historically, as now, there are far more Americans who identify as democrats, and yet for some reason our very fair electoral system has the minority party in power in the executive, legislative and judicial branches more often than not. Strange that.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Bloodworth

Opinion it is then.

Thanks for answering my question.

And the other half was fact....antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims, hollyweird, illegal aliens, fake media all vote Democrat.
You want to party with those guys?

a reply to: Bloodworth

And like most Americans, dem and repub alike, you look at the fringe groups and assume all the people from the group opposing yours are like those fringers. Stop watching too much tv and fb. The vast majority of people are relatively normal and rational and still manage to vote for people you don’t like and to support issues you disagree with. Still mostly normal people.

a reply to: Bloodworth

But hey, let’s take it further. The Republican Party is obviously the party of the oligarchs, sweatshops, and corporations. I’d also expect them to include the Rockefeller’s, black water, Halliburton, Epstein, Bolton, wolfowitz, Cheney, the kkk, white nationalist groups, doomsday evangelical cults who believe nuclear Armageddon is required for the second coming, and Mike pence!!. You want to party with those guys?

a reply to: pexx421

What do you say about Christian and Jewish Democrats who believe in the same, how did you put it, "telepathic Jewish zombie"?

They do exist and in fact you have one running for POTUS right now and you guys seem to love it when he lectures the Christian right from his pulpit.

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Bloodworth

Opinion it is then.

Thanks for answering my question.

And the other half was fact....antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims, hollyweird, illegal aliens, fake media all vote Democrat.
You want to party with those guys?

Your claims are opinions not facts and it would take far too much time and screen space to unravel them besides being off topic. How many "antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims ..." do you actually know? I'll bet you virtually zero. You don't know how the millions of INDIVIDUALS that comprise those groups think or vote for that matter. Media has handed you a simplistically simple way to parse "good and bad" and you've absorbed it completely, apparently.

So, we will leave it there, perhaps? Thanks again for the conversation.

We aren't going to make any progress by insulting each other.

Divide et imperas.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: pexx421

What do you say about Christian and Jewish Democrats who believe in the same, how did you put it, "telepathic Jewish zombie"?

They do exist and in fact you have one running for POTUS right now and you guys seem to love it when he lectures the Christian right from his pulpit.

I say that none of us has the monopoly on rational thought, so to blanket paint all of your opponents as irrational is an easy, self serving delusion. We are all balls of contradictions, so end this hyperbole and rhetoric that “dems are irrational, greedy, lazy snowflakes” and abandon the spoon fed narratives, and try engaging in honest debate, ketsuko. Don’t be such a partisan hack, constantly regurgitating all the mainstream lies and catchy memes. Make original arguments and don’t just pick out popular points to ridicule.

a reply to: pexx421

Hello, pot.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Bloodworth

Opinion it is then.

Thanks for answering my question.

And the other half was fact....antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims, hollyweird, illegal aliens, fake media all vote Democrat.
You want to party with those guys?

Your claims are opinions not facts and it would take far too much time and screen space to unravel them besides being off topic. How many "antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims ..." do you actually know? I'll bet you virtually zero. You don't know how the millions of INDIVIDUALS that comprise those groups think or vote for that matter. Media has handed you a simplistically simple way to parse "good and bad" and you've absorbed it completely, apparently.

So, we will leave it there, perhaps? Thanks again for the conversation.

During the mid term elections I witnessed antifa congregate and take over the voting station with a line of about 50 member. Directly behind them was a group of about 30 LGBTQ, followed by a group of BLM.

They took over the voting station for a good 5 hours plus.

You really think BLM, LGBTQ, antifa and hollyweird vote Republican?

And to add tthat group of winners. They want to give the rights to felons to vote.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: pexx421

Hello, pot.

Not even close. I’m at odds with establishment dems as much as I am establishment republicans. You, however, sound just like anybody else who gets their mainstream hate on daily with hannity or Limbaugh.

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Bloodworth

Opinion it is then.

Thanks for answering my question.

And the other half was fact....antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims, hollyweird, illegal aliens, fake media all vote Democrat.
You want to party with those guys?

Your claims are opinions not facts and it would take far too much time and screen space to unravel them besides being off topic. How many "antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims ..." do you actually know? I'll bet you virtually zero. You don't know how the millions of INDIVIDUALS that comprise those groups think or vote for that matter. Media has handed you a simplistically simple way to parse "good and bad" and you've absorbed it completely, apparently.

So, we will leave it there, perhaps? Thanks again for the conversation.

During the mid term elections I witnessed antifa congregate and take over the voting station with a line of about 50 member. Directly behind them was a group of about 30 LGBTQ, followed by a group of BLM.

They took over the voting station for a good 5 hours plus.

You really think BLM, LGBTQ, antifa and hollyweird vote Republican?

And to add tthat group of winners. They want to give the rights to felons to vote.

And why not? First off the way we treat our felons is atrocious. Ideology driven justice is nothing more than revenge. Further, the vast majority of us are just uncharged felons. If you’ve ever done any amount of drugs than you’re just as guilty as those you want to deny the vote. And that’s probably a huge chunk of the nation right there.

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: pexx421

Hello, pot.

Not even close. I’m at odds with establishment dems as much as I am establishment republicans. You, however, sound just like anybody else who gets their mainstream hate on daily with hannity or Limbaugh.

Funny, most of what I think and believe and feel I formed before I ever found Limbaugh's show. I was actually curious about him thanks to folks like yourself telling me he was the High Priest of Hateful Evil in the US, so I wanted to know.

it's interesting that you think a person cannot honestly arrive at those positions on their own. I've examined leftist thought and I continue to. The problem is that very little comes out of posters like yourself that I haven't seen many times before. You aren't arguing a fresh, new perspective but the same ones I already worked my way through when I was back in college forming who I was and what I believed.

A lot of those premises I examined and more or less rejected then because they made *zero* sense to me. They still don't, and you aren't going to change my mind by feeding me the same stuff over and over and insulting me because I think differently.

You know talking about "hate ons" and the like. Those things are getting you nowhere.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Left's problem is that they don't call out their commies and antifa jack2ssses so therefore, if you don't call them out then people see you are agreeing with them.

a reply to: pexx421

I believe there is probably a pretty even split on wealth. I could agree that it logically makes very little sense, but then you must ask how a wealthy person could benefit from left leaning political ideology. It is hard for me to believe society is driven by greed, I think most people abstain from the more frivolous, and while society is prone to decay, most people try to live within their morality... even if morality is currently backsliding.

a reply to: dfnj2015

You have been cheering for Bernie Sanders. Sander's own Constitution was taken from Stalin's Constitution to the U.S.S.R. Sanders was and continues to be a communist, despite claiming to wanting "democratic socialism." You cheer for him, you are a communist too.

It moves like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck. It MUST be a duck.

Wow...are you not tired yet of twisting and turning the truth?

Maybe take a break like silly..?

Seriously when I read your posts...Marx. Napoleon, Hitler comes to mind...

Maybe....just maybe...you cannot change people's views as millions of peeps just like yourself have there own opinion.

And we all know opinions are like assholes!

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Bloodworth

Opinion it is then.

Thanks for answering my question.

And the other half was fact....antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims, hollyweird, illegal aliens, fake media all vote Democrat.
You want to party with those guys?

Your claims are opinions not facts and it would take far too much time and screen space to unravel them besides being off topic. How many "antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims ..." do you actually know? I'll bet you virtually zero. You don't know how the millions of INDIVIDUALS that comprise those groups think or vote for that matter. Media has handed you a simplistically simple way to parse "good and bad" and you've absorbed it completely, apparently.

So, we will leave it there, perhaps? Thanks again for the conversation.

During the mid term elections I witnessed antifa congregate and take over the voting station with a line of about 50 member. Directly behind them was a group of about 30 LGBTQ, followed by a group of BLM.

They took over the voting station for a good 5 hours plus.

You really think BLM, LGBTQ, antifa and hollyweird vote Republican?

And to add tthat group of winners. They want to give the rights to felons to vote.

And why not? First off the way we treat our felons is atrocious. Ideology driven justice is nothing more than revenge. Further, the vast majority of us are just uncharged felons. If you’ve ever done any amount of drugs than you’re just as guilty as those you want to deny the vote. And that’s probably a huge chunk of the nation right there. [/quote

Lol ,so naive. Most charges are very watered down, so to actually get a felony today. It's very deserving.

And the prisoners in the u.s are the most well taken care of in the world. Wide variety of food, t.v. internet, conjugal visits, dental and health care.

Hey at least your honest and feel we are all felons and great them with open arms.

So you got felons, antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, hollyweird, muslims, illegal aliens.

You think normal Americans will go anywhere near that?

Hell no.....

a reply to: onthedownlow

The wealthy can benefit from leftist ideology by being the ones at the top enforcing the rules they make. Even in Russia and North Korea, there is that wealthy elite.

Those who make and enforce the rules get the best of everything, and it's the very wealthy who do that always.

Part of the problem with our system is that while it does allow for people to hit rock bottom and be poor and it does allow for very wealthy people, it also allows for tremendous mobility along the scale. Someone who is dirt poor doesn't have to stay that way and can actually shoot up along the scale to touch the top. Conversely, someone at the top can actually fall into the very bottom. It's usually not that dramatic, but movement between classes does happen.

In more leftist societies like the old USSR and today's China or North Korea, that movement is pretty much nothing, and that's really what the wealthy elite want. They want to be lord and masters of the world forever.

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Bloodworth

Opinion it is then.

Thanks for answering my question.

And the other half was fact....antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims, hollyweird, illegal aliens, fake media all vote Democrat.
You want to party with those guys?

Your claims are opinions not facts and it would take far too much time and screen space to unravel them besides being off topic. How many "antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, muslims ..." do you actually know? I'll bet you virtually zero. You don't know how the millions of INDIVIDUALS that comprise those groups think or vote for that matter. Media has handed you a simplistically simple way to parse "good and bad" and you've absorbed it completely, apparently.

So, we will leave it there, perhaps? Thanks again for the conversation.

During the mid term elections I witnessed antifa congregate and take over the voting station with a line of about 50 member. Directly behind them was a group of about 30 LGBTQ, followed by a group of BLM.

They took over the voting station for a good 5 hours plus.

You really think BLM, LGBTQ, antifa and hollyweird vote Republican?

And to add tthat group of winners. They want to give the rights to felons to vote.

And why not? First off the way we treat our felons is atrocious. Ideology driven justice is nothing more than revenge. Further, the vast majority of us are just uncharged felons. If you’ve ever done any amount of drugs than you’re just as guilty as those you want to deny the vote. And that’s probably a huge chunk of the nation right there. [/quote

Lol ,so naive. Most charges are very watered down, so to actually get a felony today. It's very deserving.

And the prisoners in the u.s are the most well taken care of in the world. Wide variety of food, t.v. internet, conjugal visits, dental and health care.

Hey at least your honest and feel we are all felons and great them with open arms.

So you got felons, antifa, BLM, LGBTQ, hollyweird, muslims, illegal aliens.

You think normal Americans will go anywhere near that?

Hell no.....

Know what? You’re an idiot, and a dick. I present debate points, and you patronize me? Go # yourself. And prison is full of rape, murder, and violence. Don’t come at me with “welfare queens and pampered prisoners” you brainwashed, deluded hack.