British Court In Transgender Case: Bible Belief Is ‘Incompatible With Human Dignity’

originally posted by: defuntion
a reply to: dfnj2015

This isnt really about the bible....
This is about a doctor calling a man a man...

Male is male. Do you get it?

Your right its not about the bible, as far as I know the bible makes no references acceptable pronouns or honorifics.

It's about someone being unable to do the job they applied for.

originally posted by: [post=24666032]ElectricUniverse[/post


This is the insanity the progressives/left has been leading us into. No longer is freedom of religion seen as a "right" by the left. Instead progressives/leftists believe that it is their right to shove down everyone's throats the beliefs of the "progressives/left."

How do we know how his bosses voted or what there political affiliation is, is it an assumption or has it been confirmed it was a labour voter in charge?

I cant stand any religion, IMO it is outdated but if somene wishes to belive in sky fairys it should not affect their employment status, providing when on the clock they adhere to keep it to themselves and not prevent them complete their duties.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: defuntion
a reply to: dfnj2015

This isnt really about the bible....
This is about a doctor calling a man a man...

Male is male. Do you get it?

Your right its not about the bible, as far as I know the bible makes no references acceptable pronouns or honorifics.

It's about someone being unable to do the job they applied for.

I am pretty damn sure when he took the job 26 years ago that nowhere in his contract did it say he has to address men as women or women as men. Back then when he applied for the job that would have got him fired.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: defuntion
a reply to: dfnj2015

This isnt really about the bible....
This is about a doctor calling a man a man...

Male is male. Do you get it?

Your right its not about the bible, as far as I know the bible makes no references acceptable pronouns or honorifics.

It's about someone being unable to do the job they applied for.

I am pretty damn sure when he took the job 26 years ago that nowhere in his contract did it say he has to address men as women or women as men. Back then when he applied for the job that would have got him fired.

He didn't take the job 26 years ago. He was in training for a new job.

i think anybody is entitled to call themselves whatever they wish but not entitled to insist everyone else adapts their diction to suit the newly self-chosen designation. i think some people need to get over themselves and their overblown sensitivities.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz5
i think anybody is entitled to call themselves whatever they wish but not entitled to insist everyone else adapts their diction to suit the newly self-chosen designation. i think some people need to get over themselves and their overblown sensitivities.

He is entitled use whatever honorifics he wants in his own time. When he is being paid to do so not so much.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

He is entitled use whatever honorifics he wants in his own time. When he is being paid to do so not so much.

So where would a doctor stand if a six foot hairy male with an adams apple

demanded to have a hysterectomy or cervical examination?

This stupidity has to stop somewhere.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

He is entitled use whatever honorifics he wants in his own time. When he is being paid to do so not so much.

So where would a doctor stand if a six foot hairy male with an adams apple

demanded to have a hysterectomy or cervical examination?

This stupidity has to stop somewhere.

Explain to him he hasn't got a Uterus.

Has absolutely nothing to do with what pronouns he prefers.

Just to point out that this was an employment tribunal, and not a court of law.

His employment required him to call people by the pronouns they preferred.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: CthruU

The funny thing about your hateful post is Rock Hudson was known to be flaming gay in Hollywood:

en.wikipedia.org...

The funny thing about your hateful post is the assumption that gays can't also be masculine.

a reply to: FredT

And what, pray tell, is the physician supposed to tell "her" when "she" comes down with prostate cancer? Or is the physician supposed to recommend a pap smear and not even mention prostate exams because "women" don't need those?

originally posted by: dfnj2015

I know all you high and mighty holier than thou types have really big opinions. But let's review what the court said,"“… in so far as those beliefs form part of his wider faith, his wider faith also does not satisfy the requirement of being worthy of respect in a democratic society, not incompatible with human dignity and not in conflict with the fundamental rights of others."
...

ROFLMAO... The "holier than you types" includes YOU. As for what the court says, liberal courts all around the world are the same. A bunch of morons who think they should force non-religious beliefs on "certain religious people" and you leftist atheists believe that is fine an dandy. Same for forcing millions of women to have to share their restrooms/bathrooms and locker rooms with biological males, a majority of whom are nothing but sadistic predators that just want to satisfy their perversions.

You keep on showing not to know what you talk about, and like always take comments out of context. We don't need your permission to decide whether to be religious, or not. But you love making up false arguments to push your own agenda of completely getting rid of religion. It's not going to happen. You might as well accept that fact.

Jesus taught to women and also had women as disciples such as Mary Magdalene which he held in high regards. Women disciples traveled with Jesus just like men disciples did. Mary Magdalene was the leader of the women disciples. They, men and women groups, just moved separately because back then it wasn't viewed as right for men and women to intermingle while they spoke about spiritual topics.

But anyways, we are not discussing the bible itself, but rather the freedom of religion that you do not believe in and instead you, like many others, want to force your views on others.

That doctor wasn't saying that he would not treat a man that claimed to feel being a women inside. But rather he would not be compelled to call a man as a she, and he has, or should have a right to do so.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: FredT

And what, pray tell, is the physician supposed to tell "her" when "she" comes down with prostate cancer? Or is the physician supposed to recommend a pap smear and not even mention prostate exams because "women" don't need those?

You tell 'Her" that she has prostate cancer. You don't recommend a pap smear. See pretty easy no? You treat the patient, not your preconceived notions etc.

You know whats worse? Someone who does not get the care they need because they are afraid of ridicule or someone getting all judgey about them.

Plus this MD agreed to "protect, promote and maintain the health and safety of the public." which is the UK version of the Hippocratic Oath

We transport a significant number of Trans Teens as we have a really good clinic and practice geared towards their unique health needs. Its really not that hard and you will slip up but they all are super cool about it

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Same for forcing millions of women to have to share their restrooms/bathrooms and locker rooms with biological males, a majority of whom are nothing but sadistic predators that just want to satisfy their perversions.

You know, this is categorically untrue and if you believe it is true, you've been seriously misled and misguided. Transgender women have been sharing private spaces with natal women for well over 50 years with the number of any kind of untoward incidents numbering in the double digits at best. Don't let a infinitely small number of bad actors condemn an entire demographic.

If you want to be concerned about something, how about this: Nearly 1,700 accused priests living under the radar with no oversight not to mention all the politicians and public figures guilty of sexual misconduct. Where's the outrage over this?

Also, trans people are fully aware of what biological sex they are. It seems non-transgender people are more deluded about these things than the trans people themselves.

Be as all religious as you want to be, just don't try to shove it down my throat or use it to justify bigotry. I don't think Jesus would approve.

From the beeb

I believe that I have to appeal in order to fight for the freedom of Christians to speak the truth. If they cannot, then freedom of speech has died in this country, with serious ramifications for the practise of medicine in the UK

and

Andrea Williams, the chief executive of the Christian Legal Centre, said if the decision is upheld it will have "seismic consequences" for anyone in the workplace "who is prepared to believe and say that we are created male and female". "It is deeply disturbing that this is the first time in the history of English law that a judge has ruled that free citizens must engage in compelled speech,"

now, bear in mind the doctor hadn't treated a tranny but

The hearing was told he would refuse to refer to "any 6ft-tall bearded man" as "madam" following a conversation with a manager at an assessment centre and later left his role.

So he left his job due to a hypothetical situation during an assessment and, now he, andrea, the opening poster and a few other fanatics wanna start a christian crusade?
Just do what glinner did and become an angry terf on twitter, christians lost the crusades 5-4 on aggregate, you want losing another crusade down in the history books?
Is Bangkok the new Jerusalem you keep losing, only this time to ladyboys offering specials with each drink rather than an army of Muslims?

Religion is the problem, if religious types don't see it then they are the problem.
It's gonna be 2020 soon, the days of thanking god we planted crops and had a harvest are gone, surviving the common cold isn't a miracle and we don't kill the first born because of an eclipse anymore, move on.

a reply to: pteridine

ElectricUniverse Will they also rule that belief in the Quran is incompatible with human dignity?

NO!

a reply to: FredT

By calling the patient "her" we've already established that we're treating the patient according to "her" preconceived notions, so the patient would not get prostate cancer, even if "she" has a prostate.

And the court just reinforced that the patient's preconceived notions are more important than basic medical science here.

a reply to: ketsuko

Its pretty clear that the vast majority of you have never me a transgendered person or had any sort of meaningful interaction with them.

By calling the patient "her" we've already established that we're treating the patient according to "her" preconceived notions, so the patient would not get prostate cancer, even if "she" has a prostate.

With this level of ignorance I'm not sure we can even discuss the topic with any sort of rationality

originally posted by: Elron1024
a reply to: pteridine

ElectricUniverse Will they also rule that belief in the Quran is incompatible with human dignity?

NO!

Well....... In Iran some degree of transgendered is allowed

Due to this fatwa, issued in 1987, transgender women in Iran have been able to live as women until they can afford surgery, have surgical reassignment, have their birth certificates and all official documents issued to them in their new gender, and get married to men. en.wikipedia.org...

Which means that radical Islam Shia Iran is less radical than some of you Christian extremists

a reply to: FredT

It would seem that the Quran is incompatible with human dignity. If one chooses to have relationships with same sex partners who do not transgenderize themselves, Islam is not forgiving. The problem is that Islam is trapped in the 7th century, a brutal time when nomadic goat herders were killing and stealing from each other and it provided them with an ethic to mitigate such. From their 7th century philosophy, Islam has extreme punishments for minor or imaginary crimes. Insult Islam? Death. Convert to another religion? Death. Live a homosexual lifestyle? Death. A woman who is a victim of rape? Death. Steal? Lose a hand. Steal again? Lose the other hand. Steal without hands? Must be in league with the devil and lose a head.