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Top 5: Crimes Dems accuse trump of that they did worse

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posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 11:18 PM

The double standards are getting too much to count, so I thought I'd quickly go through my top 5 examples odf Democrats being hypocrites by doing crimes they accuse Trump of. By no means is this a comprehansive list, just the five that were on my mind.

5. FARA violations.

Manafort was accused of failing to register as a foreign lobbyist. He was charged for that and ended up in solitary confinement.

The Mueller report admitted he worked with the Podesta group, which was founded by Hillary's campaign manager John Podesta. Podesta group was allowed to retroactively file paperwork.

4. Lying to the FBI:

Flynn was accused of lying to the FBI (check my video out this is wrong) and charged

Hillary lawyers Mills and Abedin lied to the fbi when they said that they didnt know about Hillary's server until after her time a SOS.

FBI agents though Hillary saying she thought the "C" on documents was a lie.

3. Obstruction of Justice:

Dems say Trump obstructed justice by firing Comey, even though Rosenstein wrote a letter recommended it. They also thought Trump mean tweets and grousing about Mueller was obstruction, even though Trump didnt commit the underlying crime, and even Mueller admitted his investigation wasnt obstructed.

The same Dems had no problem with Hillarys team deleting subpoenaed evidence.

2. Getting evidence from foreign countries.

The latest story shows Dems say its impeachable to get evidence from foreign countries about potential crimes of opponents.

Three Dem senators did the exact same thing as Trump, only more aggressively; Dems said it was ok. ion.pdf

Obama's admin and Mueller also got evidence for three years from foreign countries such as Australia, the UK, and even used Kremlin sourced unverified material to investigate Trump. Dems praised this.

1. Getting foreign interference

For three years there was an investigation into trump colluding with foreigners to steal the election. Mueller showed these claims to be untrue, yet many democrats like Schiff and Swallwell said they saw proof of Trumps guilt.

Meanwhile, they had no problem with Hillary getting actual dirt from Kremlin officials through the Steele dossier, and Obama's intel officials using that unverified dirt to spy on Trump.

In addition, we know that Ukrainian officials publicly acknowledged as early as two months before the 2016 election that they were interfering in the US election because they disliked Trumps policies. Democrats were not only ok with that, they say Trump investigate that interference that benefited them is grounds for impeachment.

posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 11:26 PM
Everyone knows what is going on. It's DEFCON 1 political warfare.

posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 11:47 PM
Many Democrats are unaware of what is going on. The media does eventually say the information of the article title and few first paragraphs is either an opinion or is not verified, but people do not read that far down usually, they scan the few first paragraphs and think that it is true. Technically the article is not illegal to print since it contains appropriate information farther down past where normal people read.

Here is a good article about what this crazy politics is doing to people.

For those of you who are all fed up with politics here is some decent news.

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posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 11:48 PM
a reply to: Grambler
It is a shame that the Democrat Party has decided to go full alt left and embrace BAMN. They brought this on themselves. That leaves so many more voters to vote for Trump.

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 12:03 AM
a reply to: Grambler

And yet, nothing is being done about it.

Fairly confident in the assertion that we are past the point of no return.

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 12:17 AM
Yeah. Trump did them much better.

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 12:21 AM
a reply to: Phage

Euchre 💥 🐇

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 12:29 AM
One party's hypocrisy is the others hypocrisy as well. You can't sit there and call Democrats hypocrites without realizing that there is a double standard on your end of the spectrum as well. Well... you can, but it's intellectually dishonest.
edit on 10/1/2019 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 12:43 AM

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
One party's hypocrisy is the others hypocrisy as well. You can't sit there and call Democrats hypocrites without realizing that there is a double standard on your end of the spectrum as well. Well... you can, but it's intellectually dishonest.

Obviously the Bueller Democrats were bigger hypocrites.

baaaaa (did I do it right?) 😎

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 12:51 AM
a reply to: xuenchen

Yes, you did it right. You're a shepherd around here xue, keep up the good work. 😏

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 12:51 AM
Another great S&F thread from Grambler!

Here's an idea. Let's have competing investigations. Trump Admin vs the U.S. House. See which body will get the most convictions.

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 12:54 AM
a reply to: carewemust

Trump Admin vs the U.S. House.

Mueller seems to have gotten a good number of convictions. How's the DOJ been doing? Lock her up?

edit on 10/1/2019 by Phage because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 01:55 AM

originally posted by: Grambler
and even Mueller admitted his investigation wasnt obstructed.

Wow. That is wrong.

Presidential pressure

During a meeting with vice president Mike Pence in January 2017, incoming national security advisor Michael Flynn denied having talked to Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak about election interference. Aware of Flynn’s lie, Trump invited FBI director James Comey to twice meet in private, first seeking his loyalty, and next asking that he drop any investigation of Flynn.

Seeking protection

In February 2017, attorney general Jeff Sessions was considering recusing himself from election-related investigations because of his role in Trump’s campaign. The president instructed White House counsel Don McGahn to stop Sessions from recusing himself.
He was angry that Sessions disobeyed, telling advisors his attorney general should “protect” him.
Trump urged Sessions to “un-recuse” himself.
The president contacted US intelligence agency leaders, asking them to publicly dispel any suggestion that he was connected to the Russian interference.
He called FBI chief Comey again, requesting that he “lift the cloud” by stating that the president wasn’t being investigated personally.

Terminating troublemakers

In a May 2017 congressional hearing Comey declined to answer questions about whether the president was personally under investigation. Trump fired Comey, first claiming publicly that the termination was based on his mishandling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation.
Yet Trump told Russian officials that he had “faced great pressure because of Russia,” which had been “taken off” by Comey’s firing.
Trump subsequently admitted in an interview that he’d planned to dump the FBI head because “this thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.”

Undermining Mueller

Special counsel was appointed in May 2017. Trump predicted to advisors that it would be “the end of his presidency.”
He told aides that Mueller had conflicts of interest that barred him from serving, though the claim had already been dismissed as meritless by the DOJ.
When the media reported in June that the president was being investigated for obstructing justice, Trump criticized the probe and DOJ in a series of tweets.
He then directed White House counsel Don McGahn to pressure the DOJ about Mueller’s alleged conflicts of interest, but McGahn declined.

Attempts to control the investigation

The president in May 2017 met with Corey Lewandowski, a private advisor, directing him to tell Sessions to publicly announce that the Russia investigation was “very unfair” to the president, who had done nothing wrong.
Soon after, Trump criticized Sessions in an interview with the New York Times and in tweets, making it clear that the attorney general’s job was in jeopardy.
Lewandowski then asked senior White House official Rick Dearborn to deliver Trump’s message to Sessions, but Dearborn ultimately did not.

Presidential editing

In the summer of 2017, Trump learned that reporters were inquiring into a 2016 meeting between senior campaign officials, including his son, Donald Trump Jr., and a Russian lawyer allegedly offering damaging information about Hillary Clinton.
Trump directed aides not to disclose the emails setting up the meeting.
Before the emails became public, Trump edited his son’s statement, deleting a line acknowledging that the meeting was with “an individual who…might have information helpful to the campaign.” The president instead claimed they met to discuss adoptions of Russian children.
When reporters questioned Trump’s involvement in writing his son’s statement, his personal lawyer repeatedly denied it.

Pressure for protection

In early summer 2017, Trump called Sessions, again urging him to reverse his recusal from the Russia investigation. Sessions declined.
In October, Trump met with Sessions privately to ask him to investigate Hillary Clinton.
Two months later, in another meeting, Trump suggested again that Sessions “un-recuse” himself and supervise the Russia investigation, saying he’d be a “hero.” Trump said, “I’m not going to do anything or direct you to do anything. I just want to be treated fairly.” Sessions again declined.

Falsifying the record

In early 2018, journalists reported that Trump had earlier directed McGahn to have Mueller removed from the investigation, and that the White House counsel had threatened to resign rather than carry out the order. Trump told officials to tell McGahn to dispute the story and create a false record.
McGahn confirmed the accuracy of the reports.
Trump then met with McGahn personally, pressuring him to deny what happened.

Seeking secret information

After Flynn began cooperating with Mueller’s probe, Trump’s personal counsel called his attorneys asking for a “heads-up” if they learned of “information that implicates the president.”
When Flynn’s lawyers said they could not share data, Trump’s attorney threatened that he’d let the president know of Flynn’s “hostility.”
In contrast, when his former campaign manager Paul Manafort was on trial, Trump publicly praised Manafort and teased a presidential pardon. After Manafort was convicted, Trump said he was “a brave man” for refusing to “break.”

Flipping on Cohen

From September 2015 to June 2016, Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen pursued the Trump Tower Moscow project and briefed him on it repeatedly.
In 2017, Cohen lied to Congress about the project after Trump’s counsel told him to “stay on message” and not contradict the president.
In April 2018, the FBI searched Cohen’s home and office. Trump publicly asserted that Cohen wouldn’t “flip” and contacted him to say “stay strong.”
Cohen discussed a future presidential pardon with Trump’s personal counsel.
But after Cohen began cooperating with Mueller’s inquiry in the summer of 2018, Trump publicly called him a “rat.”

And you people wonder why I trust other sources more than your postings?

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 01:58 AM
From 2018: Dem Senators DURBIN, MENENDEZ, LEAHY put pressure on Ukraine to cooperate with the Mueller investigation...OR ELSE!

Their Letter to UKR: ion.pdf

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 02:37 AM
a reply to: Grambler

What about impersonating a human being ?

Can't believe that didn't make the cut.

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 03:49 AM

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

Trump Admin vs the U.S. House.

Mueller seems to have gotten a good number of convictions. How's the DOJ been doing? Lock her up?

Phage I thought you of all people could see through a # show. Mueller convictions? I love the one where he tried to tie 12 Russians to a troll farm and lost after asking for a delay. Phage, phage,phage buddy. Hillary is extremely guilty and I personally helped in the reddit stone tear investigation I was the first to post it on here! obviously not under this name.

You need to take off the partisan glasses for a minute and just look at how criminal the Democratic Party has become.

Kamlia harris and Cory booker = Jessie smollet
Biden is clearly guilty of advancing his son career through joes political career and Ukraine wasn’t the first conflict of interest.
Bernie sold out his own supporters in 2016 and sold out American in 2012 with his revision of the audit the fed bill right before it passed.
Andrew Yangs math doesn’t add up and would still requires borrowing .8 trillion a year for his UBI
Warren believes in open boarders and free healthcare “clearly not a very smart position”

I can’t say I’m happy with trump or his admin
Syria fake gas attacks
Moving the embassy in Israel
His buddy buddy relationship with nutinyahoo
His weird ass relationship with North Korea
His boasting about Mexico will pay for the wall.
His trade war with China

I hate the way he talks but, hold on a second he’s better than every other candidate the dems have put up.

Think about it this way after his next 4 years it will be another Democrat as president, you will get all that free college tuition, free healthcare, open boarder bs they always talk about and fail on delivery and implementation. Obama care sucked face it! That was an insurance scam.

Ps I lived through the bush years so yeah I remember how bad republicans can get especially neocons.

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 04:20 AM
a reply to: Grambler

I myself doubt Trump will be impeached, but your defense is that because someone else commited a crime, Trump IF guilty gets a pass?

Is that how reverse TDS works?

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 04:24 AM

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: Grambler

I myself doubt Trump will be impeached, but your defense is that because someone else commited a crime, Trump IF guilty gets a pass?

Is that how reverse TDS works?

Theres no reverse tds its just tds, both extremes suffer from it, its similar to ying and yang, or what is above is below, two sides of the same coin. yada yada yada.
edit on 1-10-2019 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 04:52 AM
a reply to: ManFromEurope

Former special counsel Robert Mueller testified on Wednesday that his investigation was not hindered or curtailed, reassuring anyone worried that he wasn’t able to fully carry out the inquiry.

Mueller made this assertion in response to questioning from Rep. Doug Collins (R-GA), the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee. Collins, in a series of rapid-fire questions, asked the special counsel whether “your investigation [was] curtailed or stopped or hindered?”

“No,” Mueller responded.

You were saying something about not trusting us people?

posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 04:56 AM
Did it "worse"? What kind of nonsense whataboutism is this?

What does it matter? If a crime was committed, then it should be prosecuted regardless a D or an R beside their name. Should a murderer be ignored because he/she wasn't a mass shooter doing it "worse" than just a single killing?

This might be the most absurd thread I've ever seen on ATS. SMH
edit on 10/1/19 by redmage because: (no reason given)

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