Manipulation.

This is a short thread.
Only a few questions.

Is being able to manipulate a sign of high intelligence?

Follow up question: Is it morally right to manipulate someone if your helping them?

I would say that no, being able to manipulate is not a sign of high intelligence but one of defeat.
Good people manipulate as a last resort because they can't come up with a better plan.

And I want to say that yes it's good to manipulate if it helps. But I'm not sure a believe that.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I would make a guess and say that there is a difference between manipulation and guidance. Manipulation is either pushing or pulling for a result where guidance seeks to bring about a result through helping to advance individual decision making.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Manipulation is a sign of high persuasion, or being able to present a founded argument. Not intelligence, per say.

No it is not morally right to manipulate someone for your own ends. But everyday supervisors manipulate employees etc, etc.

"Is it morally right to manipulate someone if your helping them?"
If you are manipulating someone how is that helping them?

I guess I need more information. But manipulation is rarely a positive verb.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

What's her name bro? Get over her. Enrich your own life my dude: read books, lift weights, make dat money

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: scraedtosleep

What's her name bro? Get over her. Enrich your own life my dude.

There is a slight statistical probability, that she is a succubus. I may know her... I think I used to date her.

Colloidal garlic... that's my advice...

a reply to: madmac5150

Do you find it ironic that I tried influencing, or manipulating, the OP with advice meant to help them?

And that your post is advice on how to..ward off vampires?

I'd call that a sign of high-level intellectedness. Let's compare notes sometime

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: madmac5150

Do you find it ironic that I tried influencing, or manipulating, the OP with advice meant to help them?

And that your post is advice on how to..ward off vampires?

I'd call that a sign of high-level intellectedness. Let's compare notes sometime

I'm guessing, that you know my ex.

If you kiss her too fast, you will get an ice cream headache. Seriously...

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Manipulation could be a sign of psychopathy.
Just sayin'...

a reply to: scraedtosleep

There are two opposing definitions of manipulate.

1 : handle or control in a skillful manner.
2 : control or influence cleverly or unscrupulously.

Both require intelligence.

So it's definitely ok to manipulate for the most part according to actual dictionary breakdown, unless your unscrupulous by nature.

So are we talking unscrupulous manipulation here???? Its not clear from your OP.

Watch the movie Saving Silverman...

...spells it out, pretty well. AND... Neil Diamond. It's a twofer

originally posted by: madmac5150
Watch the movie Saving Silverman...

...spells it out, pretty well. AND... Neil Diamond. It's a twofer

Comeonayeaha!

I can draw my wallet faster than any gunslinger. I allowed myself to be manipulated. However, some people prey on this and everyone is a loser in the end.

Live and learn.

a reply to: CthruU

But the level of intelligence required might be very low if the subjects are walking meatbag stupidos..

And is it morally right? Most likely not, because chances are- you are not helping someone else, you are helping yourself.

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

lol Been single for many years.

I just think about random stuff like this sometimes.

a reply to: CthruU



Is it ok to manipulate unscrupulous way if it helped someone?

Like say you did it for purely selfish reasons but somehow it made a positive out come for the person being manipulated.

You got what you want and didn't care how it effected the other person.

Would that be an immoral or moral act?

a reply to: solve

What if by helping yourself you did help them? But also didn't care that you helped them?

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: CthruU

But the level of intelligence required might be very low if the subjects are walking meatbag stupidos..

And is it morally right? Most likely not, because chances are- you are not helping someone else, you are helping yourself.

So is that a yes on the scrupulous question from you? Or are you manipulaing me?.

I'm joking of course as clearly your talking scrupulous manipulation and in that context it's never morally right.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: CthruU



Is it ok to manipulate unscrupulous way if it helped someone?

Like say you did it for purely selfish reasons but somehow it made a positive out come for the person being manipulated.

You got what you want and didn't care how it effected the other person.

Would that be an immoral or moral act?

Call me old fashion but for me the truth always seems to be the best road forward although not always pleasant then after that everyone has the right to make their own judgment for better or worse.

Scrupulous manipulation for me regardless of the intent is always dicey at best as the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

So although the intent was perhaps moral - the method is likely not.

I have had people try to manipulate me and it was blatantly obvious to me what they were trying to do from the get-go. I'm not sure it requires high intelligence to manipulate, but the person you are trying to manipulate should probably be less intelligent than you for it to work.

Sal

a reply to: scraedtosleep

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Well, my ex is a master manipulator. She certainly does NOT have high intelligence.

She learned it from her mother — whom is also a moron.

I might allow someone to manipulate me.. IF he's hot enough.