If Trumps actually impeached.

If trumps actually impeached the following will happen very shortly after -

- The stockmarket will crash like never seen before.
- Oil supplies will cease.
- Currency in USA primarily will be less valuable than toilet paper - with other western nations following closely there after.
- Civil war will be unavoidable if we don't want to be oppreseed beyond comprehension.
- China, Russia, Iran and cronnies will invade/attack western world with malicious intent.
- Real climate change due to nuclear fallout will devastate/cripple the planet initiating earthquakes of unimaginable magnitude.

Trump is the glue that is stopping these dominos from falling.

Somehow we the people must stop this impeachment from succeeding.
This is no longer just politics - it is our freedom and lifes, are we going to stand by and allow this to happen to the only bloke in power in the last 4 decades who actually has humanity's best interests at heart and the smarts to keep them at arms length?

a reply to: CthruU

Contrary to the right wingers delusions every leftist I know prefers Trump over Pence. At least with Trump we have a social liberal. Besides, people from New Jersey are just more to the left. A Republican from New Jersey is further to the left than a Democrat from Texas.

I think all this effort for impeachment is being orchestrated by the Pence camp.

a reply to: CthruU

Clinton was impeached.
Nixon quit before Congress had a chance.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: CthruU

Clinton was impeached.

Democrats tried to organize a rebellion in response but it never happens. The Democrat party is like a bunch of anarchist getting together. Everyone thinks they should be in charge so nothing ever gets done. I think most of my leftist friends we are all envious of Republicans. Republicans know how to follow authority. Republicans no how to stay in line with their leadership. Republicans know how to stay on message.

You can't get 10 Democrats to agree on where to go for lunch! Democrats ALL think they know best for this country and for the party. It's a mess! But this is what makes the Democrat Party so great!!! NO LEADERSHIP worth following for more than a few years.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Yeah, well. There are a lot of them though.

Republicans really didn't want to impeach Nixon.

a reply to: CthruU

Impeachment is just a fancy word for indictment. Nothing will happen if he's impeached. If he's removed from office. . . then I can see your scenarios happening.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: dfnj2015

Yeah, well. There are a lot of them though.

Republicans really didn't want to impeach Nixon.

I watched this live.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I watched this live.

I had better things to do.

a reply to: CthruU

I think most of the things on your list will happen anyway.

a reply to: CthruU

I'm something of a lurker. I dont post too often. But this situation calls for such. I may even create my own, which I have maybe done once?

Anyway, here is my take; let's look at what we know, the facts that we should be able to agree with.. even if agreement is by degree, and not total.

1) Trump was born into wealth, and his upbringing demonstrated that there were rich folks (elite), those who wanted to join the rich elites (upper & upper middle classes), commoners (middle & working classes) who serve the elites through labor of various sorts, and of course, the poor & destitute, who are often looking to receive "help" at the expense of everyone else in the form of social services, paid for via tax revenue at the federal, state, and local levels.

Are we good so far?

2) As a businessman, he has a demonstrable history of success, as well as a history "playing rough" having been guided by Ray Cohn. These tactics allowed DJT to often sidestep inconvenient regulations and guidance mostly at local levels, which helped him build something of an elite empire. He loves WINNING.

Are we still good? I would think so.

3) DJT is neither a student of history, nor is he a constitutional scholar. He is NOW a totally new variety of politician of sorts because he HAS to be. But he probably hates this fact, as WINNING is much harder to do in the political arena, even when using his tried and true "playing rough" tactics. Using such, he was able to win the Presidency, but once in office...not so, or as much. Entrenched interests, federal regulations/oversight, and socially expected presidential conduct ALL ... for good, ill or indifferent... mitigate and/or stand in the way of his tactics and efforts.

Still with me?

4) DJT is a a proverbial "creature of habit"; a man who does what he wants, when he wants. Period. Paradoxically, he is also stunningly unpredictable, due in part to the mentoring of Cohn.

Hmm? I believe that the above points are indeed points that we can all agree with. Sure there is far more that one could say, but THESE points are, to pardon a pun unimpeachable.

I believe that given who he is, how he was brought up, how he was mentored/how he achieved successes and his penchant for embracing habits, often in unpredictable ways has led us to this moment in history. Trump STILL IS WHAT HE IS. The above are points (which by themselves) are some of the characteristics that IMO inarguably define him. This is true regardless of what can be said about his opponents, critics and the potential forces behind them; of which there are many.

Lacking true and habitual knowledge of the regulations, mores and folkways of the political world AND counting on his tried and true tactics may well have made him step on a constitutional landmine. At the time of the Ukrainian calls, having just won the Russia inquiry (Mueller's testimony) battle, may have emboldened him; leading him to, in newly found, but also in constitutional ignorance...set the land mine himself. I doubt you could TRICK him into doing so, or to manipulate him.

In the end. he may have, like Icarus flown too close to sun. The wax in Trump's wings having been formed by his nature, his life/business experience and his use of tried and true tactics.

It is fair to CONSIDER that he may have just screwed up.

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: CthruU

I think most of the things on your list will happen anyway.

True you are but they will impeach trump then put it all down in the history books if that history survives the list as trumps fault for eternity.

They don't just want him out - they want to ruin him while their at it.

originally posted by: SparkyMcBurny
a reply to: CthruU

I'm something of a lurker. I dont post too often. But this situation calls for such. I may even create my own, which I have maybe done once?

Anyway, here is my take; let's look at what we know, the facts that we should be able to agree with.. even if agreement is by degree, and not total.

1) Trump was born into wealth, and his upbringing demonstrated that there were rich folks (elite), those who wanted to join the rich elites (upper & upper middle classes), commoners (middle & working classes) who serve the elites through labor of various sorts, and of course, the poor & destitute, who are often looking to receive "help" at the expense of everyone else in the form of social services, paid for via tax revenue at the federal, state, and local levels.

Are we good so far?

2) As a businessman, he has a demonstrable history of success, as well as a history "playing rough" having been guided by Ray Cohn. These tactics allowed DJT to often sidestep inconvenient regulations and guidance mostly at local levels, which helped him build something of an elite empire. He loves WINNING.

Are we still good? I would think so.

3) DJT is neither a student of history, nor is he a constitutional scholar. He is NOW a totally new variety of politician of sorts because he HAS to be. But he probably hates this fact, as WINNING is much harder to do in the political arena, even when using his tried and true "playing rough" tactics. Using such, he was able to win the Presidency, but once in office...not so, or as much. Entrenched interests, federal regulations/oversight, and socially expected presidential conduct ALL ... for good, ill or indifferent... mitigate and/or stand in the way of his tactics and efforts.

Still with me?

4) DJT is a a proverbial "creature of habit"; a man who does what he wants, when he wants. Period. Paradoxically, he is also stunningly unpredictable, due in part to the mentoring of Cohn.

Hmm? I believe that the above points are indeed points that we can all agree with. Sure there is far more that one could say, but THESE points are, to pardon a pun unimpeachable.

I believe that given who he is, how he was brought up, how he was mentored/how he achieved successes and his penchant for embracing habits, often in unpredictable ways has led us to this moment in history. Trump STILL IS WHAT HE IS. The above are points (which by themselves) are some of the characteristics that IMO inarguably define him. This is true regardless of what can be said about his opponents, critics and the potential forces behind them; of which there are many.

Lacking true and habitual knowledge of the regulations, mores and folkways of the political world AND counting on his tried and true tactics may well have made him step on a constitutional landmine. At the time of the Ukrainian calls, having just won the Russia inquiry (Mueller's testimony) battle, may have emboldened him; leading him to, in newly found, but also in constitutional ignorance...set the land mine himself. I doubt you could TRICK him into doing so, or to manipulate him.

In the end. he may have, like Icarus flown too close to sun. The wax in Trump's wings having been formed by his nature, his life/business experience and his use of tried and true tactics.

It is fair to CONSIDER that he may have just screwed up.

Hi, thanks for the response - glad to hear from you.

Very fair breakdown with diplomatic articulation from you that any reasonable person cannot dismiss.

However clintons impeachment was overturned and he was outed for outright multiple deception let alone going against god as well (in god we trust) committing adultery, highly offensive to god fearing citizens- so i guess trump would be entitled to the same extension of forgiveness if proven as you stated would he not?

We will see soon enough.

With your sort of articulation and diplomacy i really wish you would get more involved more often.

Cheers

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: CthruU

Clinton was impeached.
Nixon quit before Congress had a chance.

Clinton was never witch hunted Trump style though.
Nixon quit so neither here nor there.

Both however lead in very different times and circumstances, neither had the type of disclosure attitude trump has, the whole western world is going down the tubes anyone in all honesty must see that and trump is the scapegoat.

He's a man's man he really is and that's what the real problem is here.

If Trump impeached the level of reeeee from the right will hit catastrophic levels. Trumpsters will lose their collective minds at a pace that hasnt been seen since colonel kurtz in apocalypse now. They will take to the streets and make antifafa look like a boy scout troop. On the other hand the majority of the country and world will party like it's 1999.

Impeached just means goes to trial.....not kicked out of office though.....

Like Random posted....ok!

originally posted by: CthruU
Trump is the glue that is stopping these dominos from falling.

No he isn't, Trump is transient, just like every one of his predecessors.

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
Impeached just means goes to trial.....not kicked out of office though.....

Its step 1 to that very end.
Its step 1 to reputation destruction dare i say reputation rape.
In order to knock down all dominos the first one must be tumbled.

They want to ruin this man like noones been ruined before. Assassination would likely martyrise him - they want his name, his legacy and his future ruined as thats what he's doing to them. Then they want him to live through it for maximum pain.

Only problem is as the president it's actually his job to - you guessed it - drain the swamp.

I don't think i can stomach even looking at Pelosi anymore, but i will say this though - i seen the petrification in her mannerisms at times, she's been puppeted by some pritty big hand up the hack of her shirt.

(Not only that there green with envy over how smokin hot his missus is.)

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CthruU
Trump is the glue that is stopping these dominos from falling.

No he isn't, Trump is transient, just like every one of his predecessors.

Is that why he crossed the korean border and shook hands with rocket man?????

Yes he is the glue, not only that he's prepared to stand there and watch that glue dry till it's set.

a reply to: CthruU

Only problem is as the president it's actually his job to - you guessed it - drain the swamp.

Has that started yet? I don't want to miss it.

Someone let me know when it's going down.

originally posted by: CthruU
If trumps actually impeached the following will happen very shortly after -

- The stockmarket will crash like never seen before.
- Oil supplies will cease.
- Currency in USA primarily will be less valuable than toilet paper - with other western nations following closely there after.
- Civil war will be unavoidable if we don't want to be oppreseed beyond comprehension.
- China, Russia, Iran and cronnies will invade/attack western world with malicious intent.
- Real climate change due to nuclear fallout will devastate/cripple the planet initiating earthquakes of unimaginable magnitude.

Trump is the glue that is stopping these dominos from falling.

Somehow we the people must stop this impeachment from succeeding.
This is no longer just politics - it is our freedom and lifes, are we going to stand by and allow this to happen to the only bloke in power in the last 4 decades who actually has humanity's best interests at heart and the smarts to keep them at arms length?

I like a good doom porn thread as much as anyone, but this is ridiculous. If Trump is impeached, nothing in your list will happen.
The market will take a dip like it always does.
Oil supplies will continue as usual, though you may see an increase at the pump.
Currency is fiat, and will fluctuate like it always has.
Civil war? You must be joking. Americans are too fat, comfortable, willfully ignorant, and frightened to fight a civil war.
None of those countries would invade the U.S. They would be better served influencing than defeating the U.S.
The last one isn't even a remote possibility in your scenario.

You over-estimate Trumps importance on the world stage. He isn't the glue for anything. Now if you want to call him a catalyst, that might be a bit more appropriate.