For once and for all MSM and CNN are not left wing organizations

Ostensibly, no. In reality, yes. I have a cousin who worked in journalism for his entire career. He was a "copy editor," one of the back room guys who actually puts the paper together, adds headlines, etc. We have talked many times about the environment in the news room and how stories get selected or rejected. For example, the AP news wire sends out tons of stories and any paper that subscribed is entitled to print them. My cousin's managing editor hated George Bush so much that he rejected ANY story that put Bush in a negative light and published EVERY story that put him in a negative light.

As in any work place, there is office banter, and my cousin learned very quickly that ANY conservative view simply as not tolerated. He told a story about the weatherman at his paper who turned a living shade of purple when my cousin expressed a conservative viewpoint. The fact is journalism is a leftish profession with people who generally have left wing views. My cousin feels they don't even recognize it. They think their views are "normal." I worked in a similar profession where it was just a given that you would take the party line. I remember at conferences the half dozen or so of us who leaned conservative would gather to whisper in a corner as were were surrounded by our lefty colleagues.

You may not recognize it either, but believe me when I tell you that should you have some sort of epiphany about a single subject that turned you to relatively conservative thinking, you would quickly recognize how based the media is.

originally posted by: KYRick
Ok, ok. How about this. CNN and most of the rest of MSM are a corporate media outlet that peddles far left ideology and due to this they are hemorrhaging ratings. Is that better?

Yes, that's better. However even as they are corporate media outlets, were they to ''peddle far left ideology'' they would be peddling the ideology that would promote socialism where the workers own the means of production. They would be peddling an ideology that would end the profits going into the hands of the current owners, capitalists.

What I see as even better in our understanding is that what they are ''peddling'' is one end of a spectrum of political opinion that all pushes and pulls within and acceptance of the capitalist system of ownership. This is not far left, just one of the extremes of the capitalist system. As OP points out the other end of that spectrum is now so far to the other end of that spectrum that the opposite side seems to be farrrrrr left, when it really is just part of the capitalist ideology.

It might do us well if we understand that capitalism is also based on competition and unfortunately without any regulations that competition keeps working until there is only one winner, the capitalist elites.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
The problem is not me. The problem is everyone criticizing me has no idea what "left" means. I once heard Sean O'Reiily say he was "fair and balanced" and that he had "leftist on my shows all the time." The problem is when you are that far to the right everyone is a leftist.

MS-NBC and CNN are corporate media outlets. They are not leftist organizations trying to bring about a redistribution of power away from their corporate advertisers. They are just NOT anti-Corporation. They are not organizing strikes and they NEVER say anything bad about how their advertisers are rigging the markets and gouging the American consumer with cartels and monopolies. NEVER!!!!

If you want true left leaning commentary go to this site:







truthout.org...





and this one:





www.motherjones.com...

There are stories on these sites the corporate media would NEVER run.



If CNN and MSM were really left wing they would be talking about voter suppression, "More People Are Voting — But 1,688 Polling Places Have Closed in 6 Years" Just look at the headlines in the two sites I've reference. This is TRUE left wing thinking.

CNN and MSM will NEVER criticize their advertisers. They will never run stories about how their own workers are not being paid enough compared to their own corporate CEOs. They just will never do it.

As much as I don't like Bill Cooper he was right about "Freedom". Freedom of the press to anyone who owns one. If you don't like what the media is saying then buy it and control it as he says in this video:

Bill Cooper, you don't like the media then buy it and then you can say what you want

Republicans have all the money. It just is not logical to claim the media is leftist because that would imply people bent on sharing the wealth own the media which is unlikely. People who believe in exploitation of workers are the only ones with enough capital to be able to buy and control the media.

This whole thing about the "left-wing media" is just BS misdirection while the people in power screw the American people with a big fat giant rod.

Seemingly you are imprisoned in the propaganda you've internalized over the years and accepted as factual and truthful. Of course you can't see that it is a left leaning biased narrative.........because you are a part of it !!

a reply to: Sillyolme

I see you have jettisoned the idea of objective truth in favor of subjective truth which really only means the only truth that matters is what you would prefer it to be, not what actually is.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Listen, I am not going to criticize you. I am going to commiserate. I get you.

It's easy to think how they aren't left wing when from what I see, even Mao and Stalin were right wing as far as you're concerned.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Could’ve fooled me.

If it looks like it’s left and it quacks like it’s left, it’s left.

This may in fact be the most humorous post on the internet so far today.

I have 3 words for you. RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!!

For 2+ years, CNN and MSNBC have spent literally almost every waking moment trying to cram this BS down our throats. None of it, turned out to be true. In fact, Killary has the most connections to Russia, and has profitted from it.

Show us a single politically based story that CNN has published that ended up being true. You will find the answer is less than a small handful. Their sources were trying as hard as they could to steer the narrative away from them and what they did. That, is about to change, with the real stuff that is about to emerge.

Their viewership has fallen faster than a glutton swallows a box of doughnuts. Reason? Because, they are FAKE NEWS and people have finally started to realize it.

Fred..

I agree. The MSM is not a partisan organization. The MSM is a propaganda machine whose sole purpose is maintaining the status quo and keeping us all at one another's throats.

But that is also an extension of the fact that there isn't actually any such thing as a "left" or "right" in the real world. There possibly once was but now the illusion of left and right is being propagated and maintained for the (main) purpose of keeping people distracted and not asking real questions. If the only thing the masses are thinking about is how this "side" is right and that "side" is wrong, they are not asking why nothing ever changes for the betterment of everyone no matter who "wins".

To expound upon that, the balance of power can change as many times as you can keep track of but the actual agenda remains exactly the same if you pay attention to the history of things and the general direction things seemed to be going all along. It only ever goes where it was headed all along. The path that we're traveling only ever deviates slightly and when it does, the deviations conveniently serve as shortcuts to the end goal of authoritarian government.

This side is (ostensibly) for big government and that side is for small government but the government just keeps growing and expanding it's power and influence and control over the most trivial details of our lives. The guy who is telling you he wants to lower your taxes and give you more freedom and more rights is just waiting for the right moment to raise your taxes and take your freedom and scribble out your rights so he can blame it on the other guy. Who will possibly deny it or maybe even completely ignore the accusation and change the subject and cast the blame for something else back on the other guy. If they've both done their jobs properly, you will be so drawn into their web of deceit, you won't even notice they're both screwing you and both lying about it. And the MSM is not there to expose any of it, you might have noticed (but probably didn't).

In the meantime, you can wear a red shirt or a blue shirt or a white shirt and you will still only be playing right into it. It doesn't matter what you do or say or think. There's more than enough noise to drown out anything and everything else but the noise.

Some pretty epic Oofs and Bruhs in this thread, mixed with a good amount of cringe.

There clearly isnt going to be productive debate on something so.. Derpy.

I will say that judging by the posts you have made about propaganda df, you are looking at decades old information and techniques. Its not modern at all, despite being presented as such. That said, it is still used in multiple capacities, the most effective perhaps being as a misdirection of sorts from actual modern social engineering.

The results are at least partially represented in this very thread, in everything from the idea that this new religion is actually the "left," or "liberal," to the truly astounding claim that any major news networks "lean heavily to the truth."

The pushback seen is directly proportional to how absolutely bizarre this type of behavior and claims are to anyone not indoctrinated in the cult.

a reply to: Sillyolme

I don't watch Fox News either but I still know it's a right wing echo chamber in the same way that CNN is a left wing echo chamber. It's obvious even for those who take a cursory glance.

Thankfully I read the entire thread before posting - Thanks to ketsuko & subsequent posters for their points I had intended to posteone said there's no left right paradigm in the real world.

True, it's just a matter of semantics: left/right, capitalist/socialist liberal/conservative - somewhat arbitrary binary choices we seem to be "given". Think more of a circle paradigm where left & right are directions of travel (counter-clockwise/clockwise). Go too far in one direction and you'll wind up going the other way, so to speak. Take Antifa for example, the more adamant about anti-facism they become, the more they adopt fascist attitudes & actions.

ganjoa

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

They lean heavily to the truth.

And didn't you just write that you do not watch or listen to any political news and you just get that from ATS?

I would swear it was you who wrote that.

Like when holy water touches a demon, so to is it with MSNBCNN and facts or you and general information.

Your 'truth' and actual 'truth' are at opposite ends of the spectrum because NPC spoonfed propaganda points are not 'truth'.

For instance - you likely also think that the black business owner really was the subject of a racist hate crime and Jussie Smollette was attacked by 2 white male Trump supporters. Cling to your truth like you cling to Hillary having morals and ethics - it's amazing to behold.

a reply to: Liquesence

That's funny because leftists live in an alternate universe.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I don’t know how you expect anyone to take you seriously when you’re posting absolute lies and nonsense like you are. If you’d taken even just a couple of minutes to research your topic you would’ve know your wrong, very wrong. I also don’t think you believe a damn thing you’ve written.

Murdoch who owns FOX claims he’s a right wing libertarian.
Bloomberg owns Washington Post, Dem/lefty.
Ted Turner owns CNN, Dem/lefty
Disney/ABC publicly traded but largest share holder is Laurene Jobs/ Steve Jobs widow, Dem/lefty, Disney Co very left.
Comcast/MSNBC, NBC, CEO Brian Roberts Dem/ lefty

I could keep going but I would hope you get the picture by now. You’re about as wrong as wrong can be.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Spot - ON, 3NLlight+ … and not only do they lean like you say, even Fox News is controlled by the same giant multibillion dollar media conglomerate … so, in essence, they are merely 'controlled opposition'.

We don't get unbiased news anymore from the big players. You gotta look elsewhere for unbiased truth. Ugh … it TOTALLY sucks!

a reply to: mtnshredder

It's not even necessarily coming from the top as much as it is the boots on the ground.

What schuyler says above is true.

I spent a few years pursuing a journalism degree before I realized I didn't have the stomach to chase people down and badger them to answer questions they may not want to answer. In other words, I didn't have the attitude to be someone like Alex Acosta.

But, in the time I was in classes I learned how news stories are written and chosen, and it's true: the author of the story ranks the facts in order of importance. Well, the facts are no going to be up for debate, but which one is the most important on down the line very much is a subjective thing, and that's left to the writer to decide. Understand that most people who read a story are only going to read the first paragraph, maybe two, so a writer can effectively mostly bury things by putting them last in a story. If a reader has to flip pages back in the paper to continue? Well, most won't bother, so those facts likely won't get seen by most of your readership. Great way to bury them!

Add to that the level of deciding who gets to see what on the part of the editors, and you have a dual screening process on your news. Because the editors decide what is newsworthy to their readership. That also is highly subjective. There are supposed to be standards by which an editor measures newsworthiness, but ...

a reply to: ketsuko

It's not even necessarily coming from the top as much as it is the boots on the ground.

Yes, I fully understand that. I’m sure Ted Turner isn’t telling CNN which news stories to run with and which ones to not. Also, doesn’t mean he couldn’t be directive in the overall message he wants portrayed by his network. I’m sure the top figure heads of CNN know exactly who’s ultimately writing their paychecks. My post was in regards to the OP saying the MSM is owned by Republicans, which it’s not.

originally posted by: mtnshredder
a reply to: dfnj2015

I don’t know how you expect anyone to take you seriously when you’re posting absolute lies and nonsense like you are. If you’d taken even just a couple of minutes to research your topic you would’ve know your wrong, very wrong. I also don’t think you believe a damn thing you’ve written.

Murdoch who owns FOX claims he’s a right wing libertarian.
Bloomberg owns Washington Post, Dem/lefty.
Ted Turner owns CNN, Dem/lefty
Disney/ABC publicly traded but largest share holder is Laurene Jobs/ Steve Jobs widow, Dem/lefty, Disney Co very left.
Comcast/MSNBC, NBC, CEO Brian Roberts Dem/ lefty

I could keep going but I would hope you get the picture by now. You’re about as wrong as wrong can be.

Ted Turner sold CNN years ago. He was/is a progressive but when he created CNN (the first 24x7 news channel) he had all the best intentions. In fact, I get the sense he's not proud of what CNN has become.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti
Hmmm... I wasn’t aware of that. Who owns them now?


Edit. Got it, Ted sold to Time Warner, who sold to AT&T.

a reply to: mtnshredder

The big problem is Watergate legacy. Journalism brought down a president, and at that point, it stopped being about reporting what was happening in the world to changing the world. And you and I both know which types are most excited at the prospect of changing the world.

In fact, Trump is giving them all kinds of thrills thinking they can re-enact Watergate all over again and bring down the president. Of course, they think they're on a moral crusade, but really, they just want to prove they can.