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Why should I not vote for Trump in 2020?

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posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 04:16 PM
Ok, I voted for him. At this point, like a lot of folks,I cannot be sure who I will vote for in 2020 because it is so far off. I like what Trump has done but for me to want to commit again I need to see a few more things completed and a path to what he said about Making America Great Again. It was once. The mecca of technology and advancement. Manufacturing and Business leaders of the world with a few other countries. 9/11 changed the country as much as WW2 defined that generation.

I consider myself a liberal conservative. I don't care about gay marriage and abortion should not be a political issue. I see no race issues in the US except those created by the media. Medical MJ is fine with me but I want lower taxes and people to work and not be a welfare state. A strong military and equal rights for all not just special interests. I believe in immigration reform and a pause on all immigration in fact for 3 years. Based on that...I am a middle of the road voter that could be swayed during any election. I do not pledge my allegiance to any party. I am an American first.

So, what would want me to get off of the Trump Train? I would really like to know what those who dislike him so much could tell me about their candidate to change my mind. What I see on the news is a bunch of people running against Trumps tweets. I hear about a lot of spending from those who are criticizing how the current POTUS is handling what was put in his lap. Those candidates want my guns. They want me to pay more taxes for green energy and take away meat. I have not heard an actual platform I could get behind but I surely will vote.

Tell me ATSNN....what would make me want to, based on the current and even future candidates of all parties, cast that vote for someone other than our president.

A president who has lowered taxes, created jobs, is building the wall and has pulled us from costly 'agreements' that did not benefit us but those around us.

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posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 04:25 PM
a reply to: matafuchs

How can you not see what he has done already as a great start to
what should take at least eight years for the rest? With the sand
bagging democrats riding his leg all the way. Don't vote for anyone
else is all I have to say.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 04:43 PM
a reply to: matafuchs

Admittedly, I had voted for Trump in 2016. There was not any other viable choice in that election. He really was far more centered.

I had voted for Obama in 2012, and honestly, regretted it BIG time. Obama got my vote since I assumed his Obamacare just would never get through. I had hoped for just riding it out and a better option come 2016. That did not happen. Sigh.

So, now, I am at a crossroads again. Worried that Trump may go all in on his last 4 years like Obama did. I have been horrified by what has been coming out of left or right field. It really does seem like everyone is just accepting Trump will be re-elected that they are not even trying to find a balance. Just want extreme critiquing points for the next 4 years!

My only hope is that if Trump / congress do disappoint me like Obama/ congress...that the 2024 elected candidate knows how to correct extreme overreach by Trump's example.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 04:46 PM
I'm relatively in favor of him. Why not to vote for him: (Disclaimer: Devil's advocate)
1. More conservative federal judges that limit progress. (Not just the Supreme Court, though that is what captures headlines).
2. Roe v. Wade
3. Climate change.
4. Diplomacy with dictators and Taliban. (N. Korea, China, Russia)
5. Cozier with our allies (NATO).
6. End the trade war(s)

The Democratic candidates promise climate action, medicare for all. Various candidates support UBI, racial reparations, more open to immigrants crossing "our borders", nationalization of pharmaceutical companies (or perhaps simply very heavy regulation of prices?). All support strict gun control to some extent varying from no magazines allowed (Biden) to forced buybacks (Beto). To be quite clear assault weapons include pistols and shotguns (not all of the latter, and revolvers are separate).

Trump seems to be the choice. He's quite a Democrat, but he's "right wing" based on current definitions of such a thing like pro-nation state.
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posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 04:48 PM
Your question makes it seem like you don;t understand what is at stake.. I know that isn't true based on your posts, so I assume you are just trying to create some discussion which is great.
I however, have a very simple reason for you. If the 'Democrats' win, America is headed for decades for communism...sorry 'Democratic socialism'... forgot we had to call communism by it's new name.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 04:49 PM
I'll say this much...

He's done better than I thought he would before the election in 2016. Credit where credit is due.

His work with North Korea is very positive, not even remotely complete, but a good start.

Immigration reform is being, well sand bagged isn't too strong a word by both the Dems in Congress, and judges who have decided that they'll legislate from the bench.

People are working. People are buying stuff. I'm one of 'em, or soon will be, as I buy next home after the first of the year.

He's an asshole, but that's neither here nor there--though some would seem to want it to be. The President of the United States sometimes has to be an asshole...part of the job requirement.

I've not decided whether or not I'm going to vote for him or not. I'm certainly not going to vote for any of the Democrats running at this perhaps Gabbard--and she has no shot at the nomination. If there's an attractive Independent running, I might give that some thought.

Color me undecided, but not nearly as anti-Trump as I was before 2016. Still quite a lot of time left to decide.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 04:53 PM
a reply to: matafuchs

If you truly have an open mind you cant have already made your decision.
I vote for the person that represents me the best and since the dems side is up in the air yet, I cant make that call.

That being said, none of the plethora of Democrat choices is worth a damn so trumps looking pretty good.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 04:56 PM
a reply to: ManWhoWasThursday

Carbon taxes, gun bans, open borders and socialism dont exactly make me want to vote Democrat.

I'll stick with the womanizer at this point.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:02 PM
a reply to: Bluntone22

If you lean left (quite heavily to the left admittedly) then these are issues that may resonate with you. The federal judges and broad notion of climate change can certainly capture more moderate left wingers. Now when the specifics of the various plans come out I believe that to be less true. And it isn't socialism. It's a move towards socialism/fascism but it isn't it quite yet. Nationalization of healthcare and pharmaceutical industries are a giant step though. Need to nationalize a few more. Oh. Right and the nationalization of the energy sector via the Green New Deal (GND)

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:04 PM
a reply to: UKTruth

Devils Advocate let's say. I am just tired of the same old posts that I thought this might actually spur people to explain their thoughts. I am posting this as more of a middle road voter and what they would ask.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:07 PM
a reply to: seagull

Your type of response is one that is quite common this election cycle if you do not listen to the MSM. People are fed up even more with politicians but not fed up with their president. There is a big difference. Trump, even with his current Congress is getting more done than reported.

Lots of people are open to look but the left is sending in the clowns...

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:09 PM
a reply to: matafuchs

If you honestly think he is good for the country, then vote for him.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:13 PM
a reply to: matafuchs

You are not alone by any stretch. Independents ranks are growing by the day, many of which are normally conservative but can't align with either party now. I'm also a liberally minded conservative.

I did not vote for Trump or Hillary last time, but I'm backed in a corner and will likely vote Trump. Not that I like him at all, I don't, I just think he'll do the least damage and the other side has gone too far one direction.

I can and have voted for Liberals in past decades, but they have allowed themselves to be taken over by extremists to pander for that extra 2% of the vote that they need. I'm sure there are many like me, more scared of one side than the other and that's a heck of reason to pick who to vote for. I'll be voting fully because the Left scares me more at this time in history.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:16 PM
a reply to: matafuchs

Why? Because Democrats will give us free healthcare, free college, free solar powered cars, free food, free clothing, free cellphones, free internet, and free water!

All we have to do to enter Heaven-in-America is sign over our paychecks to Uncle Sam and not have any more than 2 children. (Those families with more than 2 will have to get rid of any extras.)

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:17 PM

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: matafuchs

If you honestly think he is good for the country, then vote for him.

Sadly, it is not a decision on whether Trump is good for the country, but he somehow once again just seems better than the proffered electoral candidates at this time. It is frustrating when one has to 'settle' in casting their vote.

I was hoping this thread may actually enlighten me or others on someone or something we have missed. Though, 2016 DNC primary has soured me into believing that just anyone can win their private primary election. Sigh.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:35 PM
If you’re a communist or a blue-eyed European who claims to be a Native American to make millions of dollars from Harvard then vote democratic...
If you ran a district attorneys office who prosecuted [successfully] thousands of pot cases while you, yourself were smoking it in your dorm room then vote Democrat...

If you hate a great American economy then vote Democratic...

Hope that helps


posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:38 PM
Considering the Democrats appear to be jumping off the same cliff together, what viable alternatives are there?

Let's be honest, Trump is a less-than-ideal president. Even this week he pissed me off with the whole Bahama visa thing. But the Democrats continue to make him look like the only adult in the room...and who would have ever thought that would be possible?

I think many people will just stay home. Trump will win easily, imo.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:41 PM
Well you can vote to make the US become a Totalitarian Socialist Utopia or vote to hurt the feelings of millions of people that shouldn’t be allowed outside on their own recognizance nor informed that Utopia is just another word for fantasyland.

It’s your choice, vote responsibly.

posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:41 PM
I’ve talked with a few friends that hated Trump for two years .

Now they tell me they still hate Trump but they like what he’s done for the conuntry.

Hopefully commonsense will break out .

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posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 05:50 PM
We already know there isn't a good enough reason in the world for you not to vote for him. That's fine but let's be real here, you weren't being genuine in your inquiry.
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