Strong support for Trump linked to willingness to persecute immigrants and commit violence.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: MisterSpock
The reason the left has a hard time getting any traction with this is the usual attempt to conflate "immigration" and "ILLEGAL immigration".

By dropping the "illegal" part and painting anyone as some sort of evil racist, it just pisses off people that can quantify the distinction and make those that chose to conflate the two as the slobbering morons they are.

You shouldn't insult slobbering morons.

Not that they shouldn't be insulted for posting something like this...

But because they won't understand that you are insulting them in the first place.

It's like kicking a puppy...

Perhaps you could post some valid rebuttal from a scientific journal of the same caliber as New Scientist?

Slinging empty insults does not require any great intellectual power.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: clubheadjobby

This is why people claim that ATS has become a right wing site.

Someone will post nonsense, never rebut or debate.

When many people come on to refute the garbage, the leftists will lazily point out that ATS has become right wing and never point to the topic again.

It’s becomming quite evident.

Prove me wrong OP and defend your stance.

Oh come now DB, you can't have your cake and eat it too....

a reply to: clubheadjobby

I can't wait for all the rational supporters to flood in and debate the data in a calm and rational fashion.

What data? There wasn't a link to provide us with any data. All I'm reading is the opinion of one researcher and an article that claims that four unnamed independent researchers agree with him.

To top it all off, it looks like Jonas Kunst has teamed with the University of Oslo's "Center for Right Wing Extremism" to research this since Norway's government is now paying to find out why their own country is suffering from extremism, which obviously has nothing to do with Trump.

a reply to: clubheadjobby

No insults needed just observation 1. 207 pounds for a 4 day pass for their "festival" where they discuss live.newscientist.com...#/ "how to be superhuman". Good one tho, really valiant effort

a reply to: clubheadjobby

I used to be a half-Democrat, because I found both parties to be anti-American in their spending, but Dems to be more on the side of individual freedoms. Now I believe both parties are against individual freedom, they just attack different freedoms.

I don't trust Trump, but not because what he says or does, its because I still suspect he's controlled opposition.

That said, as a pro-America, anti-Democrat, anti-Republican, American, I find this to be pure drivel. A leading, carefully crafted set of polling questions, with results interpreted in such a way as to reach the author's intended conclusions.

And I'll trust those who pay more attention than me that you've brought it to our attention using what sounds like an ATS burner account. Hiding in the shadows, eh?

a reply to: chr0naut

The answer copies the question.

originally posted by: projectvxn
I always enjoy fake studies used by fake news to fan real hatred.

New Scientist is a highly credible and well regarded publisher in the field of science journalism.

To my knowledge, only two articles have ever sparked significant criticism over the 63 years of its publication, and those articles were criticized on purely scientific grounds.

Hardly fake news.

Nor is the article "fanning hatred". It is an exploration of the psychology of a particular subset of people, to determine their level of psychological fusion with an outspoken leader.

If there is any conclusion to be drawn from the article, it is that we are easily led, into areas we might rather not go otherwise, if we allow ourselves to bond with what we perceive are populist views.

a reply to: chr0naut

Nor is the article "fanning hatred". It is an exploration of the psychology of a particular subset of people, to determine their level of psychological fusion with an outspoken leader.

Just exactly how many people really make up this "subset of people" and what else do we know about them?

Dovidio, author Jonas Kunst and co-author Lotte Thomsen both of the University of Oslo surveyed self-identified Republicans who had signed up to be paid subjects of research on the platform Amazon Mechanical Turk, as well as a representative panel of Republicans. Although a minority of Republicans were fully fused with Trump, those who scored highest on measures of fusion were more likely to take extreme positions than those who had fused with the Republican party or identified as Republicans.

news.yale.edu...

To top it all off, these studies and surveys (as mentioned above) were conducted by using Amazon Mechanical Turk. Here's what you should know about that...

Human-subject research

Beginning in 2010, numerous researchers have explored the viability of Mechanical Turk to recruit subjects of social science experiments. Thousands of papers that rely on data collected from Mechanical Turk workers are published each year, including hundreds in top ranked academic journals.[21] Researchers generally found that while samples of respondents obtained through Mechanical Turk do not perfectly match all relevant characteristics of the U.S. population, they're not wildly misrepresentative either.[22][23] The general consensus among researchers is that the service works best for recruiting a diverse sample; it is less successful with studies that require more precisely defined populations or that require a representative sample of the population as a whole.[21] However, there are concerns that the proprietary selection algorithm may prejudice results (see: Research validity).

Overall, the U.S. MTurk population is mostly female and white, and is somewhat younger and more educated than the U.S. population overall. Data collected on jobs conducted since 2013 show that the U.S. population is no longer predominantly female, and that Workers are currently slightly more likely to be male.[24] The cost of MTurk was considerably lower than other means of conducting surveys, with workers willing to complete tasks for less than half the U.S. minimum wage.[25]

Research validity

The validity of research conducted with the Mechanical Turk worker pool has been questioned.[35][36] This is in large part due to the proprietary method that Mechanical Turk uses to select its workers.[citation needed] Since the method of selection is not shared with researchers, researchers can not know the true demographics of the pool of participants. It is unclear whether Mechanical Turk uses fiscal, political, or educational limiters in their selection process. This may invalidate any surveys or research done using the Mechanical Turk worker pool.[37][38]

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: chr0naut

But this "study" isn't in the purview of "scientific" 🤣

Many so-called "credible" science publications often print loads of "credible" stories and then suddenly print extreme bias stories when needed (aka "paid off").

Sadly, all too often, those biased stories and inserts are automatically believed by the gullible 😎

But here's some hope of relief ............

RX Prescription for TDS / "Trump-Xalta"

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: MisterSpock
The reason the left has a hard time getting any traction with this is the usual attempt to conflate "immigration" and "ILLEGAL immigration".

By dropping the "illegal" part and painting anyone as some sort of evil racist, it just pisses off people that can quantify the distinction and make those that chose to conflate the two as the slobbering morons they are.

You shouldn't insult slobbering morons.

Not that they shouldn't be insulted for posting something like this...

But because they won't understand that you are insulting them in the first place.

It's like kicking a puppy...

Perhaps you could post some valid rebuttal from a scientific journal of the same caliber as New Scientist?

Slinging empty insults does not require any great intellectual power.

The same place that has reported on a peer-reviewed paper that links penises to climate change?

Intellectual power indeed.

An honest question...

Why do you think your opinion matters?

No cited sources OP, yet it is funny watching the triggered trumbots line up to defend their messiah.

Lol tools

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: chr0naut

The answer copies the question.

Without a doubt, there are some Democratic Party supporters who believe some of this, but similarly, there are some Republican Party supporters who also believe some of these things (for example the "Republican Majority for Choice" pro-abortionists)

However, the Democratic Party platform is the agreed platform of the Democratic Party. It is the official statement of what they actually believe and support as a group.

I could point out the attacks on the US Constitution that the current Republican President has attempted:
- attempting to remove birthright citizenship
- calling for a 'national emergency' action where the situation does not warrant it
- denying Congressional subpoenas [among other attempts to reduce Congressional power]
- Not complying with the "Foreign and Domestic Emoluments" clauses in the Constitution, where Trump was supposed to divest his business holdings and he hasn't.
- Trump's unconstitutional Executive Orders on immigration.
- Trump's dismantling of the administrative state by the deregulation of a number of industries.
- possible obstruction of justice
- the use of blocks against some opponents, on Twitter, in light of the First Amendment.

So, while the Republican Party proclaims that it is protective of the Constitution, according to the Judicary and the Congress, the current President isn't.

(Note, for balance, I would post a link to the Republican Party Platform but when I go to gop.com..., I get an "access forbidden" message - probably because I am not American. But it has to make you wonder, what have they got to hide, LOL).

originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
No cited sources OP, yet it is funny watching the triggered trumbots line up to defend their messiah.

Lol tools

Triggered Trumpbots.

How original.

Perhaps it's a segment of people that currently support the economy in America right now that are tired of being called racist because they like their current paycheck and don't understand the liberal mentality of demeaning people for their personal opinions.

Perhaps it's just people that are tired of being called names and being demeaned because of their personal political ideology.

Or perhaps a lot of people in America right now are finally starting to understand that the left are just bullies and they are sick of it and want to stop being picked on by people who claim to be intellectually superior but don't understand basic economics, simple math or words like "shall not be infringed."

Your ideology is louder, supported by the majority of the media, Hollywood and a whole lot of old white rich people.

Yet you're still going to lose because at the end of the day, you're not what America is about.

Keep posting though, keep talking like you do, keep screaming to the skies.

All it does at the end of the day is make more Trump supporters.

Work harder!!!!

a reply to: chr0naut

You do realize that your entire post is BS.

Point out to me in our Constitution "birthright citizenship" as it applies to illegal aliens.

Point out please where a President is not allowed to declare a National Emergency at his discretion.

Point out to me how he has had any issues with the Emoluments clause when it doesn't include businesses that he had prior to becoming the President, where it even applies when Trump currently does not own any of his businesses and all monies made by foreigners to his hotels now is donated to the Treasury.

I could go on but let's face it... you have been sold a bill of goods and your confirmation bias leads you by the nose to actually believe the lies.

You're a puppet.

And the funny part is this isn't even your country.

Yet here you are, day in and day out, working so hard to make Trump win in 2020.

Keep it up!!!!

a reply to: clubheadjobby

The results of ANY study, doesn't negate the fact that the people of America elected Donald Trump as President in 2016...and will do so again in 2020.

BRING ON THE STUDIES, POLLS, FOCUS GROUPS, etc..

None of them will stop what has begun.. and is destined to continue.

the funny part is the dems think we even care about 90% of the things they are outraged by.

they have beat the term "racist" so badly to death its worse then that poor dead horse

they are on the way to making nazi not even mean anything with how they toss it around willy nilly

the lefts version of "persecute" is amusing at this point

meanwhile while they are mad about sharpies and illegal immigrants being arrested the courts keep getting shifted farther right


www.latimes.com... edit to add link

a reply to: chr0naut

Who in their right mind would believe that the Democrats support any of this?

For your viewing pleasure



In living color

originally posted by: MisterSpock
The reason the left has a hard time getting any traction with this is the usual attempt to conflate "immigration" and "ILLEGAL immigration".

By dropping the "illegal" part and painting anyone as some sort of evil racist, it just pisses off people that can quantify the distinction and make those that chose to conflate the two as the slobbering morons they are.

Thats exactly why this president is gaining more and more LEGAL immigrants to his side, its super apparent where I am living, and theres a growing population in border towns and states that are abandoning the democrat party in favor of Trump.

All of it can be attributed to this stupidity and blatant lying tactics from the left in regards to immigration.

They worked hard to get where they are , and do it the right way, and they really really dont appreciate the bs the left is pulling