India to Attempt Moon Landing at the Lunar South Pole Today. How to Watch Live

originally posted by: Xabi87
Just shows how extremely hard it is to even get a probe to the moon, even with todays technology. Makes you wonder how the Americans managed it with 60s technology doesn't it? Not only did they send men to the moon 6 times without incident, they also brought them back home! Did 60s America lose some amazing tech or something?

The more time that passes, the more unbelievable the moon landings become.

Without incident? Apollo 13?

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Xabi87
The more time that passes, the more unbelievable the moon landings become.

Agreed. You see old footage of these guys riding those repurposed WW2 rockets and then they build a wild little contraption and get a bigger rocket and shoot it at the Moon. They have practically no computer power and they have to navigate by sextant. Each step and the whole thing could blow up, as several did later. They were foolhardy and incalculably lucky, and knowing what we know now the whole endeavor seems insane.

I think the word you missed out was "brave".

As the landing site in in the polar region, any chance statically charged lunar dust might have played a role in loss of signal?

originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: Xabi87
Just shows how extremely hard it is to even get a probe to the moon, even with todays technology. Makes you wonder how the Americans managed it with 60s technology doesn't it? Not only did they send men to the moon 6 times without incident, they also brought them back home! Did 60s America lose some amazing tech or something?

The more time that passes, the more unbelievable the moon landings become.

Without incident? Apollo 13?

What about Apollo 13? That was the 7th mission, I said they landed it 6 times without incident, which is correct.

originally posted by: Xabi87

originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: Xabi87
Just shows how extremely hard it is to even get a probe to the moon, even with todays technology. Makes you wonder how the Americans managed it with 60s technology doesn't it? Not only did they send men to the moon 6 times without incident, they also brought them back home! Did 60s America lose some amazing tech or something?

The more time that passes, the more unbelievable the moon landings become.

Without incident? Apollo 13?

What about Apollo 13? That was the 7th mission, I said they landed it 6 times without incident, which is correct.

Twice in four months !

Apollo 11 Landing date July 24, 1969
Apollo 12 Landing date November 24, 1969

Piece of cake

originally posted by: oldcarpy
I think the word you missed out was "brave".

It's often a very thin line between brave and foolhardy. If someone came up to you today and offered you the same "opportunity" to ride an unstable bomb into space and you said yes, which would you be?

a reply to: Xabi87

Okay, so if you ignore all the times it went wrong and don't count the deaths, the missions went off without incident. Same as if you ignore all the people who die from smoking, smoking is perfectly healthy. Your point?

a reply to: Ove38

Yes.

And? Did engineering principles or the laws of physics suddenly change in those 4 months?

The Vikram lander has been found. There is still no contact with the lander.

The Chandrayaan-2's Vikram module has been located on the lunar surface and it must have been a hard-landing, ISRO Chairman K Sivan said on Sunday, in an admission that the planned soft-landing wasnt successful. "Yes, we have located the lander on the lunar surface. It must have been a hard-landing", Sivan told PTI.

The image of the lander rover 'Pragyan' is housed inside it was captured by on-board camera of Chandrayaan-2 orbiter, which is healthy, safe and functioning normally in the intended orbit around the Moon.

Vikram lander located: It hit lunar surface, did not soft-land


NASA will try to image the lander tomorrow.

September 17 (Tuesday) is going to be a big day in Isro's efforts to track and establish contact with Vikram The Lander, that went incommunicado just 335 meters away from its landing site on Moon's the South Pole on September 7. NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) will fly over the Vikram lander's landing site on Tuesday, September 17.

All eyes on NASA as Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter flies over landing site tomorrow


NASA is trying to make contact with the lander.

According to sources NASA has been trying to re-establish communication with Indian lander Vikram, along with ISRO, after losing communication while landing on Moon's south Pole in the wee hours of September 7. Recently NASA has now sent hello messages to vikram as part of its trails and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, through its deep space network ground stations, had transmitted a radio frequency to vikram in order to re-establish contact and this process will continue until 21 September.

NASA trying to establish communication with Vikram Lander


The crash landing of Vikram may have been caused by the failure of one of the engines.

From the descending trajectory (red circle on the right panel of figure 1), it is apparent the lander underwent a severe deflection from the pre-assigned trajectory when it passed 2.1 km above the Lunar surface and beyond that point, it was almost trending and tempting at an angle closer to a vertical fall.

It can be observed that from an altitude of approximately 16.1 km to 1.334 km, the horizontal velocity has been significantly reduced from approximately 263 m/s to 48 m/s. However, the velocity reduction in the vertical component for the above-mentioned altitude range was relatively less (i.e from approximately 72.3 m/s to 60 m/s). This observation together with a high-angled descends from the trajectory likely indicate that the vertical velocity component was prominent over the horizontal one.

A look into quiescence of Vikram lander

why have they faked a 2nd failed landing?

I mean seriously, all the pics/vids of the chandrayaan and vikram are so embarrassing as they look like origami Vimana!

a reply to: tulsi

I found your post embarassing so therefore using your "logic" i think that you must be fake.

a reply to: Blue Shift

So test pilots in the early days of aviation who climbed into untested jet/rocket planes were stupid? Ever heard of chuck yeager?
These guys had bigger balls than the likes of you.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Blue Shift

So test pilots in the early days of aviation who climbed into untested jet/rocket planes were stupid?

Not stupid. Foolhardy. Maybe reckless, too. Fortunately for them, they were able to justify their actions with patriotism or fighting the Commies or serving distract the public from the way the U.S. was desperately trying to catch up with Russian ballistic missile technology.

Ever heard of chuck yeager?

Have you ever heard of what he said about not wanting to be an astronaut? He knew it was ridiculous. He famously said that he "didn’t want to wipe the monkey crap off the seat before I sat down."

These guys had bigger balls than the likes of you.

I would ordinarily take that as a T&C insult, but I defer to your claimed expertise as to the size of everyone's balls.

HOUSTON: As the deadline to re-establish communication with Chandrayaan 2's Vikram lander nears, Nasa's Moon orbiter has captured images of the lunar region where the Indian mission made an unsuccessful attempt to soft land, according to a media report that quoted a project scientist of the US space agency.

Nasa's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) spacecraft has snapped a series of images during its flyby on September 17 of Vikram's attempted landing sight near the Moon's uncharted south pole, and the US space agency is now analysing and reviewing them.

Nasa captures images of Chandrayaan-2's Moon landing site

We should see the images soon I would think.

They just need time to Photoshop out anything that doesn't look quite right and find the lander.

"The LROC team will analyse these new images and compare them to previous images to see if the lander is visible (it may be in shadow or outside the imaged area)," Keller was quoted as saying in the statement.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Not even a little bit brave, no?
Some random keyboard warrior sneering at true heroes.
Sad, really sad.

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In this recent video by Bruce Sees All at the 9:28 mark he pans along the south pole region of the moon. Some is Pictured below.

so within a few months this year, 3 countries' lunar crafts all crashed (China, IS, India)?

how come??

a reply to: tulsi

China's didn't crash.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo

originally posted by: 00018GE
Do we really need another 7-11 on the moon?...

Do we really need another lazy racist stereotype?

No, so please refrain from it.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Blue Shift

Not even a little bit brave, no?
Some random keyboard warrior sneering at true heroes.
Sad, really sad.

What's sad is that you bought the hype.