Trumps Loans had Russian co-signers

originally posted by: tinner07
Of course you did not see it posted... This is a pro trump site now. full of hypocrites and idiots.

We still got some truth seekers around here. I run into them here and there....

I hope we didn't lose too many to the new unwritten T&C

1-No articles using unnamed sources unless it's truepundit
2-No speculative threads about Trump unless you have bulletproof tangible evidence... You can do that with anyone else as long as it's negative or funny.
3.Pick a side

I'm half joking about the above, but either way, I hope we still have some of the good oldies lurking till this all blows over and we can go back to being able to discuss everything with an open mind without being accused of having a mental disorder.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: mikescort


The question isnt if, its did these investors help him win 2016 I guess. The investigation came up with loose ends and lead to no where. Either way, we will most likely never know.

Maybe we need a special counsel to get to the bottom of it....


Seriously , IF a Russian Oligarch co-signed a loan, so what? You would then need to make a pretty big leap to tie a co sponsored loan to illegal election activity or pay for play. Any evidence of that? Did Mueller uncover something I missed?

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: RexKramerPRT
Sounds like money laundering..sounds like anyway.

Sounds like a straightforward real estate sale to me. Please explain where you see evidence of criminal activity in it. I hate to keep harping on it, but it's clear that most of you really don't have any clue what money laundering actually is. Money laundering is disguising illegal income. It does not mean "any financial transaction involving a Russian."

BTW, That was a time when a ton of wealthy foreigners were buying US real estate at stupidly-high prices. And most of them ended up losing a ton of money.

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
If true, I guess this would go a long way towards explaining Trumps reluctance to reveal any details on his finances. Given Juniors past admission that the Trump Organisation has all the financing it needs out of Russia this new disclosure does have some grounding in the truth.

It would also be treasonous. Not disclosing allegiances to foreign nations, financial or otherwise, and lying about it to the government as well the people of the US would absolutely, positively be treason.

As Americans we should ALL hope this is not true. If it is, things are about to get really bad.

a reply to: Duderino

It would also be treasonous. Not disclosing allegiances to foreign nations, financial or otherwise, and lying about it to the government as well the people of the US would absolutely, positively be treason.

That depends on the nature of the deal. If it was made with private entities, it wouldn't be treasonous.... It would have to be with a government (whom we are at war/conflict with) and something must be done to weaken us while helping the enemy. It could only be sedition if there was evidence he prevented someone else from getting the office.

Most likely it would be a lot of white collar financial crimes.

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
Here is an oligarch Trump has sold property to in the past, Dmitry Rybolovlev. I have no idea what market conditions are like in Palm Beach but it seems this one, on the face of it, didn't seem too great an investment for the Russian.

“What do I have to do with Russia?” he replied to reporters’ questions at a press conference in Doral last summer. “You know the closest I came to Russia, I bought a house a number of years ago in Palm Beach … for $40 million, and I sold it to a Russian for $100 million.”

It’s a tale that’s now coming to a sad end: That $100 million mansion, once the most expensive home in America, has become its most expensive tear-down. Not a single trace of the compound remains, and soon even its address will disappear: The 6.3-acre estate on which it stood has been broken into three parcels, and one of them has already sold.

Donald Trump and the mansion that no one wanted. Then came a Russian fertilizer king

Interesting that the property referred to above is also the one the Trump and Jeffery Epstein fell out over.

In November 2004, Trump, who was starring in NBC’s The Apprentice at the time, declared himself intent on winning “the finest piece of land in Florida and probably the U.S.,” an estate that had been seized as part of the bankruptcy of nursing home magnate Abe Gosman.… Epstein was also enraptured by the property, which Gosman had purchased in 1988 for about $12 million from Leslie Wexner, the Ohio-based retail executive who was a friend and patron of Epstein’s.

OF COURSE TRUMP “FELL OUT” WITH EPSTEIN OVER REAL ESTATE, NOT UNDERAGE GIRLS

Nice try at revising history. Trump fell out with Epstein after Epstein molested an underage girl at Mar-a-Lago.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
Here is an oligarch Trump has sold property to in the past, Dmitry Rybolovlev. I have no idea what market conditions are like in Palm Beach but it seems this one, on the face of it, didn't seem too great an investment for the Russian.

“What do I have to do with Russia?” he replied to reporters’ questions at a press conference in Doral last summer. “You know the closest I came to Russia, I bought a house a number of years ago in Palm Beach … for $40 million, and I sold it to a Russian for $100 million.”

It’s a tale that’s now coming to a sad end: That $100 million mansion, once the most expensive home in America, has become its most expensive tear-down. Not a single trace of the compound remains, and soon even its address will disappear: The 6.3-acre estate on which it stood has been broken into three parcels, and one of them has already sold.

Donald Trump and the mansion that no one wanted. Then came a Russian fertilizer king

Interesting that the property referred to above is also the one the Trump and Jeffery Epstein fell out over.

In November 2004, Trump, who was starring in NBC’s The Apprentice at the time, declared himself intent on winning “the finest piece of land in Florida and probably the U.S.,” an estate that had been seized as part of the bankruptcy of nursing home magnate Abe Gosman.… Epstein was also enraptured by the property, which Gosman had purchased in 1988 for about $12 million from Leslie Wexner, the Ohio-based retail executive who was a friend and patron of Epstein’s.

OF COURSE TRUMP “FELL OUT” WITH EPSTEIN OVER REAL ESTATE, NOT UNDERAGE GIRLS

Nice try at revising history. Trump fell out with Epstein after Epstein molested an underage girl at Mar-a-Lago.

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source?

originally posted by: Duderino

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
If true, I guess this would go a long way towards explaining Trumps reluctance to reveal any details on his finances. Given Juniors past admission that the Trump Organisation has all the financing it needs out of Russia this new disclosure does have some grounding in the truth.

It would also be treasonous. Not disclosing allegiances to foreign nations, financial or otherwise, and lying about it to the government as well the people of the US would absolutely, positively be treason.

As Americans we should ALL hope this is not true. If it is, things are about to get really bad.

Treason you say.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Care to reconsider?

Whilst doing so, could you point to the FEC regulation that states one has to declare business deals with people from foreign nations prior to running for office ? I'd be fascinated to see it - genuinely.

Breaking !!! .............

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Donald Trump Sends Legal Demand Over Comment From MSNBC's Lawrence O’Donnell

The president's legal team tells NBCU brass that legal proceedings could be pursued if there's no retraction or apology for stating that "Russian oligarchs" co-signed loans to Trump.

sent to NBCU headquarters also addresses a related tweet.

According to Harder's demand letter, "The Program and Tweet make the false and defamatory statements that 'Russian oligarchs' co-signed loans provided to Mr. Trump by Deutsche Bank, and described these 'co-signers' as 'Russian billionaires close to Vladimir Putin.'”

a reply to: xuenchen

Time for Mr O'Donnell to put up or shut up.
Let's get his 'source' from discovery... or will he remain silent to 'protect his source' instead of producing any proof?

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: xuenchen

Time for Mr O'Donnell to put up or shut up.
Let's get his 'source' from discovery... or will he remain silent to 'protect his source' instead of producing any proof?

My guess is he'll stay silent.

The only way he can get in any kind of trouble is if he knowingly ran a false story.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Breaking !!! .............

🤣💫🤣

Donald Trump Sends Legal Demand Over Comment From MSNBC's Lawrence O’Donnell

The president's legal team tells NBCU brass that legal proceedings could be pursued if there's no retraction or apology for stating that "Russian oligarchs" co-signed loans to Trump.

sent to NBCU headquarters also addresses a related tweet.

According to Harder's demand letter, "The Program and Tweet make the false and defamatory statements that 'Russian oligarchs' co-signed loans provided to Mr. Trump by Deutsche Bank, and described these 'co-signers' as 'Russian billionaires close to Vladimir Putin.'”

Wow. If it goes to a lawsuit then there might be discovery and a need for tax documentation to get released, This is heating up!

originally posted by: xuenchen
Breaking !!! .............

🤣💫🤣

Donald Trump Sends Legal Demand Over Comment From MSNBC's Lawrence O’Donnell

The president's legal team tells NBCU brass that legal proceedings could be pursued if there's no retraction or apology for stating that "Russian oligarchs" co-signed loans to Trump.

sent to NBCU headquarters also addresses a related tweet.

According to Harder's demand letter, "The Program and Tweet make the false and defamatory statements that 'Russian oligarchs' co-signed loans provided to Mr. Trump by Deutsche Bank, and described these 'co-signers' as 'Russian billionaires close to Vladimir Putin.'”

I hope this does get run thru the courts. All the way to the supreme court; And for trumps tax records to be brought up as evidence.

a reply to: Duderino

There would be discovery, but tax returns have nothing to do with it.
Either there are Russians close to Putin that co-signed loan agreements or there are not.
How that played out in tax returns is not relevant to the case, if it is brought.

a reply to: olaru12

Why would Trump's tax returns be needed to determine if loan agreements are co-signed by Russin oligarchs close to Putin?
Make your case.

Discovery is not a free for all on every document you can think of that you want for political purposes. You're mixing up the legal system in the USA with that of a banana republic... something I know some Democrat politicians lust after.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: xuenchen

Time for Mr O'Donnell to put up or shut up.
Let's get his 'source' from discovery... or will he remain silent to 'protect his source' instead of producing any proof?

My guess is he'll stay silent.

The only way he can get in any kind of trouble is if he knowingly ran a false story.

At a minimum, he'll be forced to reveal his source... or be forced to admit he lied and there wasn't any source.

Discovery works both ways I assume?

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: xuenchen

Time for Mr O'Donnell to put up or shut up.
Let's get his 'source' from discovery... or will he remain silent to 'protect his source' instead of producing any proof?

My guess is he'll stay silent.

The only way he can get in any kind of trouble is if he knowingly ran a false story.

At a minimum, he'll be forced to reveal his source... or be forced to admit he lied and there wasn't any source.

Journalists never have to reveal sources.

They can be detained, but eventually released if they don't crack.

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
Discovery works both ways I assume?

Sure it does - in relation to the case.

O'Donnell's lawyer : "Your honour, we want Trump's tax returns from Deutsche Bank".
Judge : "Why? What has that got to do with his loan agreements?"
O'Donnell's lawyer : "Racist!"

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: xuenchen

Time for Mr O'Donnell to put up or shut up.
Let's get his 'source' from discovery... or will he remain silent to 'protect his source' instead of producing any proof?

My guess is he'll stay silent.

The only way he can get in any kind of trouble is if he knowingly ran a false story.

At a minimum, he'll be forced to reveal his source... or be forced to admit he lied and there wasn't any source.

He will be FORCED to reveal his source? What are we, in Russia?

Since when does our government force journalists to reveal sources and since when is any American ok with this? If he wants to file a lawsuit he can definitely take it that way but then he opens himself up to scrutiny.

He will not do that, he will resort to threats and bullying without actual legal recourse.

My guess since he seems to be hiding a lot.