Leopard print apparel for young girls is wrong

originally posted by: DictionaryOfExcuses
a reply to: Nyiah
Based on those experiences, I assumed leopard print to be emblematic of feminine sexuality and especially promiscuous sexuality.

Let's dig right into the meat of it with no pussyfooting.

This right here is why you come off as dense.

For example, bras and underwear come in a wide variety of prints, colors and materials. Ergo, they're ALL sexual colors in your book, aren't they? White bra and/or underwear set, promiscuous ho color. Black bra and/or underwear, promiscuous ho color. Striped bra and/or underwear, promiscuous ho color scheme. Floral pattern bra and/or underwear, promiscuous ho color scheme. How many ho colors does your wife wear on her bras and underwear? See how moronic the idea sounds yet?

Picking and choosing what color or pattern applies as slutty is pretty goddamn stupid. The ARTICLES adorn the chest and crotch, what do colors have to do with it? Not a damn thing, since those items can come in any color or pattern under the sun. The skin-tight factor is what counts, the shorts/skirt/dress length is what counts, the transparency of the material is what counts, the amount of chest shown off purposefully is what counts. Not the stupid print or color.

I have NEVER known it to be a standard child's print, especially for boys.

Wife did the bulk of the clothes shopping, eh? My girls grew up in plenty of various prints, including animal. Old Navy, Children's Place, Justice, Osh Kosh, etc. It rotates with the season and year, but they definitely do have them. I think this summer, it's Justice with the animal prints.

People have often accused me of being boring and weird and all sorts of things.

Ok. That's all you. That's our problem how?

In fact, I am one of those types who sadly doesn't last long in most places like work or school.

This is also not everyone else's problem, this is YOUR problem to work on. Why bother sharing this, it contributes nothing to the conversation except looking like it's trying to steer sympathy your way. Which is doesn't do, because admitting your can't hold down a job doesn't make you look too great here.

I worry that there is no place for me in society at all. It doesn't hurt as much as it used to when people like you mock me for my natural inclinations, curiosities, and ideas. So i forgive you for calling me a "boring bastard" and insinuating that I want my daughter to wear a burka. I think you're better than that and I don't really think you're that way on purpose.

Again, whatever your angle is with this, sharing unnecessary personal info not pertinent to the discussion is not going to work, especially not on me. That's a pretty transparent tactic to use. If you can't stand up to the scrutiny of asinine notations you hold, claiming a handicap (in the game sense, not medical) for the game isn't going to make you a better player.

a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

Cant wait to tell my former landlady, a devout Christian who attends church every week, that shes a slut...

Thank god shes a devout Christian and will have to forgive me for saying such a crazy thing to her..

a reply to: Itisnowagain
Thank you so much for posting this. Unfortunately most people find what she is saying too hard to believe because it makes them uncomfortable, and because they don't "want" to believe it. We are so conditioned to advertisement that we don't process it on a conscious level. We as women like to think that we dress to make ourselves feel good, but we don't stop to think why dressing in a way that many consider stimulating and titillating, is a result of what we have been led to believe to be attracting and beautiful.

The OP asked a simple question, but the reason for his question actually goes much deeper, and the answer is not simple. Fortunately I can't share with you any details of some of the horrors I have seen because, "the names have been changed to protect the innocence" doesn't work in my line of work. With the proper skills and the internet, anything I share can be used to hurt the innocent and lose me my job. Just trust me when I say that what this woman is saying is just the tip of the iceberg. Our society has never been fair to women and it has always objectified women. We have just been conditioned to accept the lies as normal and as truths.

Someone said earlier that cases of rape, assault, and objectification is rare. It may seem rare, but you would be greatly surprised to how often it actually occurs. Ask someone that is close to you if they know anyone that this has happened to. I am willing to bet, if they are willing to be honest and share, you will be astonished at the response.

Someone also said that the OP was doing his due diligence in protecting his daughter, even if it may seem a bit harsh to some, and I agree. If he going to err, erring on the side of caution is always the best bet.

I once had a mother say to me that she could not take her daughter's cell phone from her because there would be no quiet in her house it she did so. I asked her how quiet did she think it would be in her house if her daughter never made it home. Can't go into the details but it was a case where the daughter's cell phone had been used as a weapon towards her.

Sometimes doing the best for your child will not be a decision that they or others may agree with our like. Your child will have a lot of friends in their lifetime. They only have one mother and father.

What if a chick got tiger stripes?

a reply to: Lysergic

Run for your life???

originally posted by: Lysergic
What if a chick got tiger stripes?

Lol. When I was a kid in Florida, my best friend had a tiger stripe one-piece swimsuit. It actually looked pretty dang cool on her, but something that garish on more body mass & thus a larger amount of fabric on display (i.e on an adult) would look awful.

originally posted by: Lysergic

What if a chick got tiger stripes?

She only a ho if day tattooed on.

a reply to: Lysergic

If you're asking me? With nothing else to go on, I say it's classless. To each their own.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

This is only an issue for men who think women dress for them.

Comments in the thread by females and males alike prove that it's not. Do you have the guts to eat crow?

a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

I'm old now, but one thing I am grateful for.
There is nothing, and I mean nothing in the world that I could have worn to make my dad think I looked slutty.


The other thing I have learned, and by God this is true. The more conservative you try to dress your kids, or force your kids to be a certain way, the opposite will happen. I'd put money on it.

I was very open and would allow my kids to wear and do their hair as they please. By no surprise they all dress normal maybe even on the conservative side. The "thrill" was just not there.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Finally a little light heartedness in the thread.

Had to look up perspex heels. Apparently they're hot AF right now.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

When I think of anything with leopard print I associate it with Peggy Bundy.*

Another checkmark for "trashy".

a reply to: whyamIhere

Ketsuko offered a similar solution and frankly, I like it.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

I'm old now, but one thing I am grateful for.
There is nothing, and I mean nothing in the world that I could have worn to make my dad think I looked slutty.


The other thing I have learned, and by God this is true. The more conservative you try to dress your kids, or force your kids to be a certain way, the opposite will happen. I'd put money on it.

I was very open and would allow my kids to wear and do their hair as they please. By no surprise they all dress normal maybe even on the conservative side. The "thrill" was just not there.

It sounds like you are well adjusted and from a good family.

I am not extremely conservative. This thread is about one specific aesthetic. But I agree with your point. Rebellious youth, reverse psychology and all.

The important thing is that your kids responded to your nurturing and survived.

a reply to: Nyiah

Gosh you ARE mean!

You deny me my experiences. You put words in my mouth. You attack me personally, and then criticize how I choose to defend myself.

I have been polite to everyone who has been polite to me in this thread. Even those who disagreed. You came in here to call me stupid. Go back and read for yourself.

I just think it's weird.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

Cant wait to tell my former landlady, a devout Christian who attends church every week, that shes a slut...

I accept your castigating tone for my poor choice in terminology. One thing I've learned here: even if you're only starting a casual chit chat, you must be perfectly PC at all times.

Thank god shes a devout Christian

Are you a writer? Do you realize how brilliant you are?

By the way, did you never meet a slut who called her (or him!!!) -self a Christian? Puhleeeeze.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Yes it was that time wasn't it. I talked to my siblings about this. I have five brothers and four sisters. My parents never had to spank us. They didn't believe in spankings. My father said it was over too fast and it didn't give us time to reflect on the error of our ways. He was most creative with his punishments. They lasted a long time and gave you not just plenty of time to think about what you did, but they gave you time to regret your ill deeds and not ever want to repeat them; like scrubbing the hardwood floors by hand, or chopping a season's worth of firewood for curing.

As I said before, it was about respect. I too would have rather cut ten years worth of firewood, then to see a look of sadness or disappointment on my parents face, knowing that I put it there. All my siblings said the same thing. It was the fear of seeing the look of pain and disappointment on the face of our parents that was the biggest deterrent for us.

I don't think many children still feel that way today. It is truly a different world. Though my childhood didn't even come close to perfect, I don't think I would trade one thing about it for a childhood today. Of course, in the future, our children will probably be saying the same thing.

a reply to: SallieSunshine

Thanks for commenting.

Interesting how this small topic became so divisive.

Nevertheless I would look like a poor sport if I didn't admit that my perception of leopard print is not universal, and that your experience with leopard print is just as valid.

Really feel like I should've said something other than "slut" and "slutty". For the record, I don't mean that I think women have a monopoly on promiscuity.

a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

No, but my landlord had some really nice leopard print blouses that she would wear... which I never thought of as slutty. Maybe it has more to do with the actual style of the clothing and not the print??

originally posted by: WhiteHat
Even more so, as a man I would completely rely on your opinion about what is appropriate or not on a very young girl as you may be able to understand how other men perceive those things.

This is not an angle that has been explored. Thanks for commenting.

I'll straight up say it. I am a member of the first generation of males warped by the ubiquity of internet porn. It is not my fault that I was sexually broken, but it has been my responsibility to heal myself, and it has been hellish doing so. Not many seem willing to consider the man who survived his boyhood in the wilds of our crappy, broken culture. We've got perspective and wisdom that few seem to care about. I guess that's all part of it for us all...