Are We Heading For a New Civil War?

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: edward777

My answer would be no.

You can easily compare the 1960s to now and of course there was no civil war then. In fact it was probably worse then.

The feud in our government between the Left and Right is the same as it has been historically. A constant battle for power. It's messy, but how our system works and for the most part it has served us well. The real difference now is the information overload making it look like it's far, far worse than it is.

The current political division does not feel like the '60s to me (yes I was there).

Similar, maybe - - - but, not the same.

There was still dialogue in the '60s. There isn't under Trump.

a reply to: edward777

So are we heading for a new civil war?

Why do you think we still have our firearms and protest each
other? When we used to only protest gov. It's brilliant, the gov.
knows we aren't ever gonna just hand over our weapons. So plan
B, have us kill each other with 'em.

a reply to: MetatronOne

120 million people voted in 2016.

It was evenly split so around 60 million per team.

But what about all the non voters? Who do they join? Do they join anyone at all?

And what about all the illegals. Who do they join?

Would mexico/central/south america help whichever side the illegals joined?

So many people that push/hope for/ worry about a civil war seem to see it as if everyone has already chosen a side.

.

The problem is that the socialists have become emboldened with their political leaders.

The population who would abide the Constitution is shrinking and the socialist population is growing.

There is no "dialogue" or "compromise" when it comes to the Constitution and individual rights.

a reply to: edward777

Any (civil) war where the corporate establishment media and MIC are not the prime targets is an absolute waste of time - to average joe mortgage food kids living expenses will remain predominant until those basics become unattainable due to the actions of selfish control freaks who want a global slave class - at which point it wouldn't be a civil war, it would be a global one - because these bastards are everywhere.

Hong Kong being the latest testament to this fact - that's what the US should be doing - citizens against government domination.

a reply to: carewemust

What about all the guns in the hands of criminals?
Who do you think the power of the black market will be behind?

The right thinks they will have the cops but who will have the criminals?

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: carewemust

What about all the guns in the hands of criminals?
Who do you think the power of the black market will be behind?

The right thinks they will have the cops but who will have the criminals?

The smart move would be to let the cities have all the guns and criminals they want and have the cops move countryside with the "deplorables" and wait.

In a week the cities will have collapsed and the leftist centers will have eaten their own.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: carewemust

What about all the guns in the hands of criminals?
Who do you think the power of the black market will be behind?

The right thinks they will have the cops but who will have the criminals?

Who cares? Criminals are undisciplined, uneducated, and hate authority. They are their own worst enemy and would rather kill each other. The criminal class is a liability to whichever side they choose.

a reply to: olaru12

Hypothetically speaking, all political action committees lets everyone know what they support. And all of their donors are public record. Of course you could start to support unlimited dark (anonymous) funds from super pacs and corporations because everyone knows how much the left loves the Citizens United ruling and would love to expand it indefinitely. *nods convincingly*

originally posted by: DBCowboy
What's the bounty on deplorables?

Wait ... what?

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: edward777

Any (civil) war where the corporate establishment media and MIC are not the prime targets is an absolute waste of time -

- that's what the US should be doing - citizens against government domination.

Haven't had a real spike in inflation (pressure valve) since about '99. This is probably why that prophecy about Trump being the last POTUS sounds so ominous. When it comes to certain things he cannot feel the pulse of what was called his base.

If things blow, they'll blow big. I don't expect to survive it. That's fine with me.

originally posted by: edward777
So are we heading for a new civil war?

yvancross.blogspot.com...


As noted in the article, civilizations are held together by fragile social bonds. If those are fractured then we return to the law of the jungle. Look at Libya today - that is what a "modern" civil war would look like. And one thing to keep in mind, even a small breakdown in society could destroy the infrastructure enough that people would starve, especially in the food deserts we call urban areas. Are we on our way to this future?

Civil War:

I think the urban areas would do better than rural. Urban areas would import their food from China. Where are the rural areas going to get their Walmart products from?

Wasn't Texas supposed to secede from the Union? What is taking so long. I guess the red states love sucking taxes away from the rich socialists blue states with all their abundance of commonwealth.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
The current political division does not feel like the '60s to me (yes I was there).

Love is just a song we sing.....God I miss the 60s!

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: edward777

My answer would be no.

You can easily compare the 1960s to now and of course there was no civil war then. In fact it was probably worse then.

The feud in our government between the Left and Right is the same as it has been historically. A constant battle for power. It's messy, but how our system works and for the most part it has served us well. The real difference now is the information overload making it look like it's far, far worse than it is.

The current political division does not feel like the '60s to me (yes I was there).

Similar, maybe - - - but, not the same.

There was still dialogue in the '60s. There isn't under Trump.

There also isn't dialogue under "The Squad" or mega-millionaire libs who insure Facebook/Google/Twitter are censored so there is no dialogue. With them it's my way or the highway, or as ANTIFA clearly demonstrates for the liberals, my way or else.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: edward777
So are we heading for a new civil war?

yvancross.blogspot.com...


As noted in the article, civilizations are held together by fragile social bonds. If those are fractured then we return to the law of the jungle. Look at Libya today - that is what a "modern" civil war would look like. And one thing to keep in mind, even a small breakdown in society could destroy the infrastructure enough that people would starve, especially in the food deserts we call urban areas. Are we on our way to this future?

Civil War:

I think the urban areas would do better than rural. Urban areas would import their food from China. Where are the rural areas going to get their Walmart products from?

Wasn't Texas supposed to secede from the Union? What is taking so long. I guess the red states love sucking taxes away from the rich socialists blue states with all their abundance of commonwealth.

California was also talking secession as was Hawaii. Actually I believe both liberal states still have strong secession movements. I think letting TX, CA, HI secede peacefully is a terrific idea! Especially CA who openly loathes flyover country and thinks middle America is all a bunch of homophobic racist hicks, let them go!

originally posted by: dfnj2015

I think the urban areas would do better than rural. Urban areas would import their food from China. Where are the rural areas going to get their Walmart products from?

www.forbes.com...

In 2012, WTO said that China had surpassed the United States to become the world’s largest importer of agricultural products. Even with 500 million farmers, China has been unable to meet the country’s growing demand for grains, soy beans and other commodities. And it’s about to get worse.

China can't even feed its own people, why would they let their own people starve to feed you? Do you think they or anyone else would even accept American currency? If not, how would the cities pay fot it?

a reply to: dfnj2015

...new strategy... those of us in rural America just need to wait for the melamine in the crap Chinese food to cause massive rates of cancer in those poor citified bastards. Hit 'Em after they've fallen... or at least what's left of them after the predictable urban turf wars and Islamic-level ideological differences skirmishes have reduced urban numbers massively shortly after local governments falter and the subsidy programs (conveniently not counted as "welfare" in those red state blue state on the dole numbers are reported) collapse, turning most of urban America into something similar to Gotham after Bane blows up the tunnels.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: carewemust

What about all the guns in the hands of criminals?
Who do you think the power of the black market will be behind?

The right thinks they will have the cops but who will have the criminals?

The smart move would be to let the cities have all the guns and criminals they want and have the cops move countryside with the "deplorables" and wait.

In a week the cities will have collapsed and the leftist centers will have eaten their own.

What criminals, didn't San Francisco do away with all criminals by reframing and renaming them as "people impacted by the justice system". The big cities have no criminals only downtrodden people who are subjugated by the justice system. I agree therefore they no longer need cops. Don't big cities hate their cops anyway, why not let them make cops illegal.

They already have agreed that their ever growing homeless populations can use their streets and sidewalks as open air toilets.

Hmmmm, yet they still cling to the idea that they have superior intellect and ideas and know how to run society better than everyone else.

I agree, remove the cops entirely so the population won't be harassed by them, the now newly reframed ex-criminals, and homeless will prove the sanity of their socialist policies.

But you know what, they'd just move to a conservative area and start all over and wonder what went wrong, it couldn't be their policies and ideas, they are the most superior thinkers around and everyone else, is well, downright deplorable.

I think for your idea to work along with removing the racist and oppressive cops from SF, LA, Chicago, Baltimore, etc. The current residents should be forced into staying in their city or one of the other progressive cities with no conservatives or cops allowed; and not allowed to move to a conservative part of the country.

That would be the best ending to a civil war we could ever envision. Force the radical left to only live in cop free cities, with ultra strict gun laws for citizens who obey the law, and then put "The Squad" as the overarching governing body for the liberal cities. Oh well, just a dream.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: dfnj2015

...new strategy... those of us in rural America just need to wait for the melamine in the crap Chinese food to cause massive rates of cancer in those poor citified bastards. Hit 'Em after they've fallen...

Can't do that, Joe Biden says he can cure cancer. Probably with a Mustard Poultice and a tincture.

or at least what's left of them after the predictable urban turf wars and Islamic-level ideological differences skirmishes have reduced urban numbers massively shortly after local governments falter and the subsidy programs (conveniently not counted as "welfare" in those red state blue state on the dole numbers are reported) collapse, turning most of urban America into something similar to Gotham after Bane blows up the tunnels.

Just disable all cell phone towers.

That will paralyze the city folks, the young folks, and the angry team of soybois roaming in packs looking for a signal so they can Instagram the revolution.

a reply to: DBCowboy

LOL! God, some truth there. I cant get a single damn bar in one of Anchorage's larger parks, let alone in the boonies... we survive just fine while Lesser 48 tourists and visitors respond with horror and fear.