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posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 01:59 PM
a reply to: Phage

lets ask the usa today:
At least 10 people were killed and 15 injured when a man drove a van through pedestrians walking on a crowded Toronto street Monday. Police said the act seemed deliberate, although early indications do not point to an act of terrorism.

The incident conjured the memory of many recent mass-casualty events in recent years where someone intentionally drove a vehicle into a crowd. Such attacks have been increasingly used by terrorists, but in other instances, the driver acted out of mental illness or simple rage.

Here is a look back at some of the fatal incidents in the last four years where a driver intentionally used a vehicle to kill pedestrians.

An angry driver plowed into a crowd of people outside a bar after closing time in March 2018, injuring at least three people and killing one.
NYC hookah bar

A man stabbed two people before getting back into his car and mounting the sidewalk outside a New York City hookah bar in December 2017. One person was killed and seven wounded in the incident that was believed to have started over a parking dispute.
World Trade Center

Sayfullo Saipov, a suspected terrorist, plowed through a busy bicycle path near the World Trade Center memorial in Lower Manhattan on Oct. 31, 2017, fatally striking eight people.
Barcelona, Spain

In August 2017, a terrorist driving a van killed 14 people and injured at least 100 on Barcelona's heavily touristed pedestrian area of La Ramblas.

Also in August 2017, James Fields plowed his car into a crowd of protesters, killing one and injuring 19 after he attended a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va.
Times Square, NYC

Richard Rojas was allegedly under the influence of marijuana laced with PCP when he drove his car onto a busy Times Square sidewalk on May 19, 2017, killing a Michigan tourist and injuring 22 people.
United Kingdom

Vehicles were been used to plow into pedestrians in the United Kingdom twice last year, including a June 2017 attack on London Bridge that killed eight people and a March 2017 attack on Westminster Bridge where four pedestrians and one police officer were killed. Suspects in both attacks were shot dead by police and have been investigated for ties to terrorist organizations.

In late December 2016, a truck plowed into a Christmas market in Berlin, killing 12 people and wounding nearly 50 others. The Islamic State claimed responsibility for the incident, calling the attacker a "soldier" of the militant group.

In November 2016, Abdul Razak Ali Artan, a Somali-born student at Ohio State University, crashed his car into a crowd of pedestrians, wounding 14, before getting out and stabbing several of them with a butcher knife.
Nice, France

A Tunisian resident of France, Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, used a rented cargo truck to run through a Bastille Day crowd in June 2016, killing 86 people and wounding hundreds more.
Valence, France

On Jan. 1, 2016, a man rammed his car twice into four soldiers guarding a mosque, injuring a soldier and an elderly man. Officials said they found jihadist propaganda on his computer but believed that he acted alone.
Lyon, France

On June 26, 2015, a delivery driver, at the wheel of a van with his boss inside — whom police say he earlier decapitated — gained entrance to the grounds of a gas factory near Lyon, France. He drove the van into gas cylinders, injuring two people in the subsequent explosion. Yassine Salhi was arrested and charged with murder and attempted murder linked to terrorism.
Dijon and Nantes, France

On Dec. 21, 2014, a man in Dijon, France, was arrested after running over 11 pedestrians, injuring two seriously, in five areas of the city in 30 minutes. Witnesses said the man shouted "Allahu akbar," the Islamic expression for "God is great." One day later, a similar scene would play out, this time in the French city of Nantes. A man ran over 10 pedestrians, killing one, in a van at the city's Christmas market

One Canadian soldier was killed and another wounded in a vehicle attack by Martin Couture-Rouleau in October 2014.

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 03:07 PM
No use arguing with someone who claims it's 'God's given Right to Own a Gun' (Show me in the old or new testament and maybe I will believe you) - Go on have a nice day, enjoy your shootings, and hearts and prayers from you will go out to victims.


posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 03:13 PM
a reply to: JimD350

Luke 23:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Your thoughts and prayers don't go out to crime victims?

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 03:29 PM
They do just as the NRA's do after each shooting...

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 03:36 PM
a reply to: JimD350

There is nothing more powerful than a well executed prayer.

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 03:43 PM
Again enjoy your countries mass shootings as people love prayer. Eventually things are going to implode one way or another.

edit on 21-8-2019 by JimD350 because: so stoned

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 05:23 PM
Anyone can see the significance of greater drug use and shootings
as they traverse time lock n step thru the last 35 years.

The use of psychiatric medications in this country has indeed increased signicantly since the 1980s. Between 1987 and 1996 the use of psycho-stimulants such as Ritalin increased nearly four-fold and the use of antidepressants by adolescents ages 15 to 18 increased over four-fold. Similarly, there was a 75% increase in the use of antidepressants from 1996 to 2005. There is no question that the use of psychiatric medications has grown substantially in the last twenty-ve years.The problem with the argument blaming medications for murder, however, is that though there has been a signicant increase in the use of psychiatric medications, there has not been a corresponding increase in violence. In fact, just the op-posite has occurred. Violent crime has decreased dramatically


I love how the article points out that violent crime has gone down in the face
of evidence that shows a correlation between shootings and prescription
psychiatric drugs. America experienced nothing like we see happening today
from the early 80s on back with far more relaxed gun rights. Does this
article obscure the truth siting a decrease in violent crime that has nothing
to do with psychotropics? You be the judge.

Seems to me psychiatry is driving a lot people nuts. But that's okay because gov.
regards the institution as science when it is obviously more of a vehicle of control.

What does it mean when the evidence points to the exact cause of a problem
But people just seem to notice it and keep right on arguing their points?

Read more: Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Follow us: @Ammoland on Twitter | Ammoland on Facebook Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and one teacher and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public. Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. Ten dead, 12 wounded. Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event. Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac. Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft. Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for six days. Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire, killing two classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment. Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others. A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed standoff at his school. Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded. A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another. Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding ten others. TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates. Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat. James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls and wounding seven other children and two teachers. Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times. Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman. Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledgehammer, hatchet, butcher knife, and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister. Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported having been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications. Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially, it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants. Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled. Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself. Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002. Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”) Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.) Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage. Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet. Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill. Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death, his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms. A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased. Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.” Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed nine students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax, and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system. Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide. Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone. Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 05:45 PM
a reply to: carsforkids We also have ton's of addicts elsewhere that doesn't have the so called second .. Oh wow! look at that a birdie just flew out the window.

edit on 21-8-2019 by JimD350 because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 05:46 PM
ma reply to: JimD350

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 05:57 PM
Enjoy your your 2nd and mass shootings. ... They tend to go hand in hand.

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 06:18 PM

originally posted by: JimD350
Enjoy your your 2nd and mass shootings. ... They tend to go hand in hand.

Damn sure not stupid enough to give up the second because of mass shootings.

Lets see people with guns are shooting at people who don't have guns.
And some dumb ass out there thinks more people without guns is the


posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 06:50 PM
a reply to: carsforkids
Post some stats please.

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 06:58 PM
a reply to: trollz

If Any Person on this Gods Green Earth Decided they Truly Wanted to Kill one of their Fellow Man , they would Find Anyway to Do the Dirty Deed . Sadly , Human Evolution Dictates it ............
edit on 21-8-2019 by Zanti Misfit because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 21 2019 @ 10:41 PM

originally posted by: JimD350
Enjoy your your 2nd and mass shootings. ... They tend to go hand in hand.

Do you really think more gun laws is going to fix the problem? We have 20k local, state and federal gun laws on the books. Do you think 20,001 is the magic number that will put an end to mass shootings?

You know as well as I and everyone else that people are not going to be lined up to turn in their guns. Do you think gangbangers are going to have a group meeting and say, “Hey guys we got till the end of the week to turn in our guns, everyone with me?”

Do you know what happens every frick’n time the threaten to pass more gun laws?
Gun sales soar through the roof. Think what would happen if they threatened a mandatory buy back. Ponder that for awhile.

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