Sen John McCain and others suggested that a Arab Spring protest style Would come to China.

Why Condemn China over Hong Kong when American Senators like Sen McCain and others were already preparing for such protests by organizationing NGO protest movements in HK and other places from a few years ago?
Sen McCain a few years smiling during a interview on CNN suggested that a Arab Spring protest style would come to China and Russia and how did he knew? because McCain is insider of DC.

I am defending China on everything? nope. But don't expect me to jump on such protest movements.

2012.
McCain ruffles Beijing with talk of Chinese Arab Spring

“I have said on many occasion and I will say again the Arab Spring is coming to China as well.”

Protests in HK have no America influence.

For Some Arab Revolutionaries, A Serbian Tutor
Hard-won victories of Arab spring appear more fragile than ever

The Real Reason the Middle East Hates NGOs

Western promoters of democracy aren’t seen as a threat to individual rulers but as a reminder of colonial history.

A bad year for tyrants then thus the protests themselves turned to be complete failures and turned countries into large mess. And would you still claim that America had no influence? of course it did.

The same way America has its influence in the HK protests. These aren't any different from the ones that happened during the Arab Spring. Using the similar tactics.
To suggest or to claim that America's gov has no influence on the protests that are happening in HK or other places "in the sphere of influence "is completely denying all the research that has being done on the NGOs including the NED because based on emotion.

Maybe the US should drop a few hundred thousand liberators and make a day of it

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: ChefFox

Maybe he knew someone that was behind it, hence easier to predict 😉

I say that in semi jesting... And while China is no Saint, and one of the most oppressive "societies", if we did support that kind of destabilization, it would eventually come out and China would hate us more.

That said obviously what I said was extremely speculative, probably unlikely as well.

a reply to: ChefFox

Not sure I follow the logic. Lets not condemn an oppressive totalitarian country because some politicians talked about trying to get people to protest China. Does it make the Chinese government better somehow? I'm pretty sure there are a lot of Hong Kongese who would not agree with your premise.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: ChefFox
Not sure I follow the logic. Lets not condemn an oppressive totalitarian country because some politicians talked about trying to get people to protest China. Does it make the Chinese government better somehow? I'm pretty sure there are a lot of Hong Kongese who would not agree with your premise.

People claimed that gaddafi was a oppressive and tyrant based on emotions. The regime change and military intervention followed only to turn Libya into a failed state. This is the same logic in HK.

I'm pretty sure there are a lot of Hong Kongese who would not agree with your premise

Oh and are you claiming that America speaks for them now? its rather sad to see that in here are supporting such protests dispute the fact that some in here had being against regime changes and such similar protests in the past against in the middle east.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

if we did support that kind of destabilization, it would eventually come out and China would hate us more.

But America' govs does support such destabilization in HK. Who do you think is behind the destabilization in the middle east? Iran?

a reply to: lordcomac

That would be the same way as Russia asking Turkey to send more Migrants to Europe.

originally posted by: ChefFox
Who do you think is behind the destabilization in the middle east?

Considering all of the regimes overthrown were secular, my money has always been on Islam and the powers seeking to reform the Caliphate. To my knowledge, there is no religious side to the Hong Kong unrest... unless there's some doomsday cult that celebrates the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre of June 4, 1989 that I am unaware of.

a reply to: ChefFox


Or maybe it's just easy to predict that an oppressive communist regime would be vehemently opposed to an open capitalistic society.

a reply to: ChefFox

I always kind of thought that it was risky for the Communist Chinese government to try to re-integrate Hong Kong into their system. Isn't it like in the Star Trek series when the borg try to re-integrate the male drone Hugh?

memory-beta.fandom.com...

It was bound to lead to some kind of strife, exactly like what we are seeing now.

originally posted by: lordcomac
Maybe the US should drop a few hundred thousand liberators and make a day of it

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Or maybe Soros could start another color revolution and then China could off his ass for interfering with his NGOs.

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Looks like Soros has gained new believers in his works of his open societies and his organization that are funding and training such movements even Soros himself said such similar NGOs already existed in Ukraine to make sure that Russia does not have influence in its politics.

a reply to: Fowlerstoad

Or maybe it was to Risky for the West to try and regain HK back in their influence and use it against China. Did Americans saw the Chinese gov as foolish? they know what whose behind this.

What is also happening now is that US navy is sending two naval assault docking units to HK. So would you prefer to support a war over HK?

originally posted by: ChefFox
...US navy is sending two naval assault docking units to HK.

What the hell are those?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ChefFox
...US navy is sending two naval assault docking units to HK.

What the hell are those?

www.cnn.com...

I think he means normal Navy transport vessels, same as the US has routinely made port visits to Hong Kong with for a number of years but are now suddenly portents of some manner of US sponsored Pearl of the Orient uprising according to OP.

originally posted by: ChefFox
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Looks like Soros has gained new believers in his works of his open societies and his organization that are funding and training such movements even Soros himself said such similar NGOs already existed in Ukraine to make sure that Russia does not have influence in its politics.

I would and do not believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
I think he means normal Navy transport vessels, same as the US has routinely made port visits to Hong Kong with for a number of years but are now suddenly portents of some manner of US sponsored Pearl of the Orient uprising according to OP.

Those are obviously filled with freedom and liberty which isn't good for the Chi-Coms.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
I think he means normal Navy transport vessels, same as the US has routinely made port visits to Hong Kong with for a number of years but are now suddenly portents of some manner of US sponsored Pearl of the Orient uprising according to OP.

Those are obviously filled with freedom and liberty which isn't good for the Chi-Coms.

By freedom and liberty, I assume you mean shore leave eager seamen.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
By freedom and liberty, I assume you mean shore leave eager seamen.

SHHHH! Don't tell the Original Poster, he thinks it's an invasion.