Can we stop with the lie the fbi will still bring the powerful to justice despite Epstein’s death?

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I just disagree

If the evidence from Epstein’s properties comes up missing, it will be just as easy to say well it’s not just the fbi, it could have been an incompetent cleaning person at the facility where the evidence was held at that is the problem

The buck stops with the investigators at the fbi

Sure others could be as fault as well, but in no way does that diminish the fault of the fbi

Agreed.

There will be no justice here. I no longer trust Bill Barr to do his job and prosecute criminals after he effing let Comey off the hook.

The Administration may be able to play 4D chess with the media and dumbass leftists, but this crap isn't flying with me.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

They didn't prevent his suicide they allowed it.
Its as simple as that
They removed his cellmate and didn't do their every thirty minute check.

Completely agree

How can we trust anything the fbi says at this point?

They are incredibly corrupt and should be disbanded

originally posted by: Grambler
How can we trust anything the fbi says at this point?

How can you trust what anyone in the government says? Government's job is to grow government and consolidate/exert more power and control.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Grambler
How can we trust anything the fbi says at this point?

How can you trust what anyone in the government says? Government's job is to grow government and consolidate/exert more power and control.

You are not wrong

Now this doesn’t mean everyone in government or the fbi is corrupt

But the corruption is so bad that everyone should be removed to restore even the smallest amount of faith from the regular people that this investgative agency is legitimate

a reply to: Grambler

What if someone made demands to the FBI?

What I'm saying is blaming the FBI, or any group or person at this point just makes it easier for other's who did misdeeds to get away with them.

I certainly think the FBI should be scrutinized, but let's not exempt others.

originally posted by: Grambler
Now this doesn’t mean everyone in government or the fbi is corrupt

No, however the institution of government itself is corrupt, inefficient and dangerous.

I would possibly suspect maybe guards will be getting knocked off next? I mean everyone is gonna be like "Hey sam, did you see those 2 janitors come in without id?" "Yea they said ignore it".. Once the talky talk starts amongs themselves. A lot of people had to have seen something, unless they sent everyone home first lol but how.

It seems people start dropping after every event. 9/11 etc.

How do we take down 40-100K people without Trump or other innocent people also getting taken down in the process? The same sources that said to watch out for these events are saying there is a lot more on the way.

The amount of evidence in the public sphere about the Clinton's is truly disturbing and dangerous. JFK shows just how nasty these games can get. The associations run deep and progress needs to be done gradually and carefully. I know it is tough to watch at times with the slow and steady nature of it. Perhaps some harmless, poetic justice can be found in imagining what those on the sealed indictment list must be thinking at a time like this.

The only chance we have to fix it responsibly it to let the gears of government do their job. Sure there are still lots of problems so keep calling it out with style as you do.

a reply to: Themaskedbeast


It did not come back inconclusive. They are reverifying everything so that conspiracy people don't say things like it wasn't him. Or he didn't commit suicide.
He committed suicide. He is dead.

a reply to: Grambler

The world has always been "slanted"

“When people can get away with crimes just because they are wealthy or have the right connections, the scales are immediately tipped against fairness and equality. The weight of corruption then becomes so heavy that it creates a dent that forces the world to become so slanted — that justice just slips off.”
― Suzy Kassem

a reply to: kwakakev

The only chance we have to fix it responsibly it to let the gears of government do their job.

The Gears of Government have been rusted and missing teeth for ages now.. A giant worldwide disaster might fix things.

a reply to: projectvxn

I think this case was symbolic for a lot of people. Epstein had already skirted the law once when he was pretty much caught red handed, given a slap on the wrist, and evenly allegedly did the same things while he was on work leave from prison.

This time around, "the system" was supposed to prove that if given a second chance at redemption, they wouldn't f# it up royally... Well they have. And honestly, when looking at the corruption of a country like Russia, it's hard for me to say now that ours doesn't resemble it in some ways. And that's a big problem. At some point patriotism isn't just saying we're the best at everything and the greatest country in the world, at some point we have to say we have systemic problems and they need to be fixed for future generations. Or else eventually we'll just be handing off a shell of a great nation.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Grambler

What if someone made demands to the FBI?

What I'm saying is blaming the FBI, or any group or person at this point just makes it easier for other's who did misdeeds to get away with them.

I certainly think the FBI should be scrutinized, but let's not exempt others.

Not blaming the fbi allows the corruption to continue over and over

And as usual, the powerful who commit the most heinous of crimes are left off the hook

At what point to do we get to say it’s just one coincidence tonmany?

a reply to: Grambler

Hi Grambler

What I read immediately after the death was that William Barr was livid or some such adjective and was going to use the Department of Justice AND the FBI to investigate for facts surrounding the death.

Even as I do not wish to trust the FBI, I still have to look at the chain of command.

1 Trump has promoted the idea that the death will serve to cover up the miss-deeds of the Clintons and others.
Isn't that the case?
2 William Barr is Trump's man at the head of the DOJ. Isn't that right as well?
3 Barr has pledged that the DOJ will investigate Epstein's death. That as well is true isn't it?

So my math here is that simple. By these conspiracy theories it is in Trump's best interest to have this investigated, an investigation that will serve to bring about the incarceration of many of his detractors and other Clintonesque types.

So what is to be concerned here. From the top of the administration down to Trump's and Barr's DOJ there is motive and power to get this investigation done swiftly and correctly. So what's to worry. That is unless in two and a half years the draining of the swamp so publicly promised is dragging far behind schedule. Or unless Trump really doesn't care.

a reply to: Grambler

As I said, I'm not absolving the FBI. But we should blame all involved.

And if the current administration makes no attempts to fix it they're to blame as well, along with everyone who either allowed this to happen or orchestrated it.

a reply to: Grambler

Our system is rotten to the core.

We have a great foundation, but when you have rotted wood to build upon it, no amount of "paint" is going to make it a good home.


This is what drives me nuts about the pro-socialism crowd.

If we have corrupt government now, we'll have a corrupt socialist government later.

No amount of labels will change the underlying corruption.

Let Doctor G take a swing at it. Seriously it should not be that difficult to determine if it was a hanging. Open and shut IMO. Something is not right. Maybe a visitor slipped him something or he voluntarily took it.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Grambler

As I said, I'm not absolving the FBI. But we should blame all involved.

And if the current administration makes no attempts to fix it they're to blame as well, along with everyone who either allowed this to happen or orchestrated it.

Oh I agree with that

Trump and barr have already allowed corrupt people at the fbi like Mccabe and comey off the hook when prosecution was recommended

So I have little faith they will hold anyone here accountable as well

And I will blame them as well

But make no mistake, when people like me and many others were made fun of for speaking out against the deep state, this is exactly what we were talking about

The fbi should be disbanded immediately

That doesn’t mean we stop there, but there corruption is so vast they (along with the cia) need to be immediately removed or they will prevent any meaningful change from ever happening