**BREAKING Victoria's Secret: Top executive quits after lingerie company hires first openly transgen

a reply to: Antipathy17

Does it hurt them though? Trans women need bras as well. If VS is struggling to maintain their revenue stream why not try to cater to an untapped demographic?

a reply to: Antipathy17

Here's the thing. Young women especially are incredibly inclusive. They don't care if someone is gay/straight/trans etc. Even if they aren't, or even if they wouldn't necessarily date a trans man, etc. They don't really care for the most part about everyone being included, but they will absolutely balk at ANYONE being excluded.

Putting a trans person in their ads would not have been a fix, but publicly excluding one is a huge bullseye for them on top of all the other issues.

Edit to Add: Even if the CMO is gone, and the trans person is in, it's still looks bad on them.

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: Antipathy17

Here's the thing. Young women especially are incredibly inclusive. They don't care if someone is gay/straight/trans etc. Even if they aren't, or even if they wouldn't necessarily date a trans man, etc. They don't really care for the most part about everyone being included, but they will absolutely balk at ANYONE being excluded.

Putting a trans person in their ads would not have been a fix, but publicly excluding one is a huge bullseye for them on top of all the other issues.

I can understand that. The bullseye of issues could be defeated by sticking to their guns though. It could also be done without a PR nightmare if done correctly. It would be a tough fight but they could show legitimate reason to not have trans women. Instead of sticking with their own established beliefs they are folding to a bunch of trenders just to avoid their backlash. Outside of the brand changing, thats going to sit sour with a lot of people.

No matter what they could or have done, I think both possibilities could have been positive or negative depending on social factors that are unpredictable. I lean one way so I am arguing on that. At least we'll get to see one of the ways play out.

originally posted by: Antipathy17
I just thing that being "inclusive" to such a minority of people isn't as beneficial as others I guess.

There are quite a few trans people who are influencers when it comes to makeup so I'm assuming they are going the same route.

a reply to: Antipathy17

Victoria's Secret IS a "trender". You can't stay at the top while ignoring trends. They developed the trend of sexy underwear and push ups, and in a smaller division, sweat suits in public with stupid words on the butt.
Now those trends aren't really bread and butter materials and they fell way behind.
Thems the breaks in capitalism.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Antipathy17

Does it hurt them though? Trans women need bras as well. If VS is struggling to maintain their revenue stream why not try to cater to an untapped demographic?

You mean cater to the Trap demographic... I kid, I kid.

I can't imagine that former men with breast implants who need bra's will make up a sizable revenue stream. How many men/former men/transitioned are there that buy bra's? Maybe a few thousand would be bought a year.

I think this marketing move is more of a "we're hip with the times" kind of approach.

To me, it makes no difference, a company advertising their inclusiveness has no effect on me... It's up to them, and if it makes money they did the right thing... If they decline in sales and can directly correlate the loss with this new approach than they did the wrong thing.

originally posted by: ambassado12
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

So will they make lingerie with penis cups?

Goodness knows. All I'm a bit surprised about is that the scientifically ILLITERATE public has not asked this about "Trans females":

What about the urethra?

The public is so scientifically illiterate that a group of multibillionaires could easily stage a fake alien invasion and the public would not even bother asking "what mode of transport did they use to get here over such a long distance" or something to that effect...

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Goodness knows. All I'm a bit surprised about is that the scientifically ILLITERATE public has not asked this about "Trans females":

What about the urethra?

I'm not all too curious about frankenp##sy to be honest...

Again, who cares?

Surely this is about epstein and not this. There is no way you're a bigshot in the fashion world and don't at least pretend to woke.

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: ambassado12
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

So will they make lingerie with penis cups?

Goodness knows. All I'm a bit surprised about is that the scientifically ILLITERATE public has not asked this about "Trans females":

What about the urethra?

The public is so scientifically illiterate that a group of multibillionaires could easily stage a fake alien invasion and the public would not even bother asking "what mode of transport did they use to get here over such a long distance" or something to that effect...

Urethra Franklin sang about "RESPECT!"

And that's what we should show. . . to skinny women in their underwear.

*boom*


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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Goodness knows. All I'm a bit surprised about is that the scientifically ILLITERATE public has not asked this about "Trans females":

What about the urethra?

I'm not all too curious about frankenp##sy to be honest...

Again, who cares?

Who cares? Who cares?!

Because that means that the public is scientifically illiterate and frankly stupid and just takes things at face value!

I guarantee you that transracialism will start becoming a thing too and loads of "coloured" folk will be "turning white"...

Scientifically illiterate indeed...

EDIT: The scientifically illiterate probably think a flying Superman, like "in the movies" could probably exist on Earth. Oh boy...

a reply to: Atsbhct

Yes, quite true nowdays.

One of THE biggest Internets Makeup Artists and youtube star and mega millionaire, is "Jeffree Star"...

Who is a guy, who acts and looks like a "girl", but is a transvestite, who is not a transvestite, who still has a tallywacker, and a boyfriend........and all the young girls just Luvvvv him So......and his makeup label.

No wonder the young are confused now.

originally posted by: gort51
a reply to: Atsbhct

Yes, quite true nowdays.

One of THE biggest Internets Makeup Artists and youtube star and mega millionaire, is "Jeffree Star"...

Who is a guy, who acts and looks like a "girl", but is a transvestite, who is not a transvestite, who still has a tallywacker, and a boyfriend........and all the young girls just Luvvvv him So......and his makeup label.

No wonder the young are confused now.

Who told you he's "a multimillionaire"? The media?

a reply to: AnakinWayneII


His brand made over $100 million last year. Makeup is a HUGE market. And he makes huge YouTube money on top of that. He rich.

a reply to: gort51

I don't know what's confusing about it, personally. There's nothing hidden about him being a guy who is gay who dresses and makes himself up as feminine.
He cracked the marketing code of relatability where if this guy can end up rich and famous, then who couldn't. He's a marketing genius.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Antipathy17

Does it hurt them though? Trans women need bras as well. If VS is struggling to maintain their revenue stream why not try to cater to an untapped demographic?

It does hurt them. It alters their branding to go after .01% of the population. Do you really think it helps them sell more if the 99.99% of straight men start to associate Victoria's Secret with beautiful women and sexually confused men? Now men are going to start thinking Victoria's Secret is that she has a meat and two veggies.

Not that it really matters either way, because within 5-10 years Victoria's Secret will be bankrupt and out of business. Probably sooner when you factor in this ad campaign and the fact that they were started by Les Wexner who was apparently Jeffery Epstein's little bitch boy.

a reply to: MRinder

Their branding isn't working regardless.

As the younger generation would say. "They ain't it, sis."

They aren't that cool anymore.

a reply to: Nyiah

It seems like you have started the thread to branch off to fat bashing. You and many like you might not like Tess Holliday, that's your right.

Yea she is a big girl, how is she bothering you? Woman who want to wear clothes of any sort I'm sure appreciate the fact they can see clothes on someone their size! While it's unhealthy, big people still need to eat, wear clothes and live just like the rest of us. Good for Tess, I hope she stays on the scene for a long time and others like her.

Her height, her weight, her life, her business! And before you start she is not a burden on anyone, she makes her own way in life, which means there was a need for people like her, and that need is growing.

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: AnakinWayneII


His brand made over $100 million last year. Makeup is a HUGE market. And he makes huge YouTube money on top of that. He rich.

You're right there, Makeup is indeed a huge market.

Good for this guy. We have enough fake women as it is.