Weep not for Sweden's invasion problem - it's karma for their interference in South Africa

For those who aren't aware of what has been happening in SA for the last 25+ years, you need to spend s few days seeing what is really happening down there that the media is not reporting on and maybe outright hiding. They have a 20%+ HIV infection rate of the sexually active population (basically 50yrs & younger), the highest rape rate in the world (that is still EXTREMELY underreported at 1 in 5 to 1-10 rapes being reported by those in "marginalized' groups). They are in financial distress in many sectors & infrastructure is failing in many places.

Sweden was one of the leading countries to push for the end of Apartheid and gave support to the terrorist gangs that plagued SA for decades before apartheid ended. People can debate the system of apartheid all you want, that's not the point of the thread. It's very clear that SA was the most advanced country in Africa and after 25+ years of majority rule, it's crumbled into a former shadow of itself.

The way apartheid was ended and the transfer of power/government was an outright attack on the country, creating a wound from which they could never survive without further catastrophic loss of life. It is unreasonable to think that the countries that supported the end of apartheid didn't know that this transition wouldn't be a total disaster much like it has been in most countries where those who built the country (via democracy/republicanism) are taken over by those with no "ties" or experience in the running of the country from elections to day to day admin. This was the planned destruction of SA and "they" wanted it to fail.



The articles show the links between Sweden and SA anti-apartheid movement.

consortiumnews.com...

www.thelocal.se...

www.democracynow.org...

www.government.se...

www.sahistory.org.za...

www.nytimes.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Apartheid was the Boer response to the invasion of the Zulu. The land South Africa sits on was NEVER Zulu land until they swarmed an amazing country built by Europeans. Then the Zulu, in league with Communists managed to convince the morons of the world that SA was always Zulu land(it NEVER was) and methodically stole a beautiful and prosperous nation only to turn it into the diseased boil it is now.

Like all liberal ideas that are based on feels and not real world facts, once they actually take off they will bite you in the ass.

Unrestricted and unvetted immigration sounds humane but when the reality kicks in that the immigrants don’t share your values or care about your culture you end up with serious crime like a massive increase in sexual assault, violent robberies and even grenades being thrown at police stations not to mention the economic burden on the state to support the 100’s of thousands of people who aren’t equipped or prepared to join the workforce.

When you say men who want to be women are in fact women you end up with perverts like the ball waxing tranny bloke and male athletes competing in women’s sports taking advantage of societies tolerance.

When you say anyone who can’t work should be given money to live on you end up with people who can work being lazy feckers and leeching off everyone else making it harder for society to support those who genuinely need it.

In the coming years the backlash to unrestricted altruism is going to be severe, it really won’t surprise me if things go to the extreme of the extreme of the right

originally posted by: JohnS23
Apartheid was the Boer response to the invasion of the Zulu. The land South Africa sits on was NEVER Zulu land until they swarmed an amazing country built by Europeans. Then the Zulu, in league with Communists managed to convince the morons of the world that SA was always Zulu land(it NEVER was) and methodically stole a beautiful and prosperous nation only to turn it into the diseased boil it is now.

Yeah it seems difficult to get people to understand the Zulu issue which is one of the biggest issues facing the country as it is now. IIRC, they are responsible for most of the population growth in the last 20-30 years and a lot of the violence that happens in the country.

I also find it odd how blacks who can be from opposite sides of the continent can say they are all the same (when it comes to stealing white man's belongings/land/nation) but when white people try to make any type of solidarity claim between other whites (even in Europe) it is dismissed as racist and it can't even be debated or even tolerated as speech. It's crazy when I see black people talking about "being from Africa" like they are long lost brothers and from totally opposite tribes, which were often at war with each other (to the level of genocide) or sold each other into slavery (up until mid 1990's!), but they are "brothers" when it comes to claiming racism against the whites.

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
Like all liberal ideas that are based on feels and not real world facts, once they actually take off they will bite you in the ass.

Unrestricted and unvetted immigration sounds humane but when the reality kicks in that the immigrants don’t share your values or care about your culture you end up with serious crime like a massive increase in sexual assault, violent robberies and even grenades being thrown at police stations not to mention the economic burden on the state to support the 100’s of thousands of people who aren’t equipped or prepared to join the workforce.

When you say men who want to be women are in fact women you end up with perverts like the ball waxing tranny bloke and male athletes competing in women’s sports taking advantage of societies tolerance.

When you say anyone who can’t work should be given money to live on you end up with people who can work being lazy feckers and leeching off everyone else making it harder for society to support those who genuinely need it.

In the coming years the backlash to unrestricted altruism is going to be severe, it really won’t surprise me if things go to the extreme of the extreme of the right

Milton Friedman explained pretty well the issue between having open borders and a welfare state and basically said: Pick one - you can't have both (at least not for long).

I would like to see what would happen if the syrian/afghan refugees were all replaced with Norweigen, Danish or Austrian refugees. I'd like to see what the crime rates would be like.

The biggest problem I see in these countries with the "migrants" is that they have no pride in the country, they have no historical ties they don't even have history of sharing the same government structure. Democracies or representational monarchies/republics/etc are totally different than what many of these people have grown up with and they don't understand the "cost" to live in a society like this - and it eventually destroys the political structure from all different angles.

A man got brutally murdered yesterday in Stuttgart with a katana , by a immigrant , even chopped a arm off.....
There is footage wich i wont share , it is pretty graphic

on 2 seperate incidents this week a 4 year old boy was pushed infront of a train with his mother , the boy didnt make it.
also committed by a immigrant

the other incident a woman was also pushed infront of a train also by a immigrant. also died.

EDIT : Might not be the right Thread for this , if not i am sorry i had to vent the anger out.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

The crime rate numbers are beying downplayed all over Europe , this was recently in my country :


www.dutchnews.nl...

Holy Schyitt! I just saw the video and read about the woman at the train stop pushing the 3 people under the train.


"Forty-year-old Eritrean migrant Habte Araya was arrested after attempting to push three people underneath a moving express train at Frankfurt central station. An elderly woman fell on the station platform and received light injuries, but a mother and her eight-year-old son fell onto the tracks where the child was killed instantly."

I feel like someone should re-write the song "Closing time" and make it invader appropriate - then play it non-stop in all the countries where they've showed up.


Closing Time modified for the occasion

Closing time
Time for you to go out go out into the world.
Closing time
Turn the lights off to every migrants house.
Closing time
One last call for bus fare so finish your packing now.
Closing time
You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
I know who I want to go home.
I know who I want to go home.
I know who I want to go home.
Just go home!
Closing time
Time for you to go back to the places you were before.
Closing time
This store won't be open 'til your brothers and you sisters leave.
So gather up your jackets,
and move it to the exits
I hope you have found a ride.
Closing time
Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end.
Yeah, I know who I want to go home.
I know…

Apartheid was an affront and was opposed by most civilised nations at the time. Trying to paint SA as some paradise under Aparteid is revisionism.

Instead of blaming Sweden for South Africa's woes, why not blame South Aftrica? Countries have a wide scope to deal with their own problems and be better places, but when they don't it's often self inflicted.

The politicians in South Africa have squandered the opportunities of a post-Aparteid boom, where the country was well placed to advance together and be a beacon in Africa for good governance. Instead, corruption, racism and apathy has infected SA and the country has fallen into the mire.

Nothing to do with Sweden. Nothing to do with the rightful end of Aparteid. Everything to do with South African politicians failing.

originally posted by: paraphi
Apartheid was an affront and was opposed by most civilised nations at the time. Trying to paint SA as some paradise under Aparteid is revisionism.

Instead of blaming Sweden for South Africa's woes, why not blame South Aftrica? Countries have a wide scope to deal with their own problems and be better places, but when they don't it's often self inflicted.

The politicians in South Africa have squandered the opportunities of a post-Aparteid boom, where the country was well placed to advance together and be a beacon in Africa for good governance. Instead, corruption, racism and apathy has infected SA and the country has fallen into the mire.

Nothing to do with Sweden. Nothing to do with the rightful end of Aparteid. Everything to do with South African politicians failing.

Media purposefully muddies the waters, it works especially well for those that haven't travelled a great deal, for these people the only attachment they have to the outside world is what media feed them.

It's a great way to steer the conversation away from problems at home, as an example the media in the US paint the European socialist countries as failing to keep the focus away from Baltimore,Chicago etc, the reality regardless of the increase in migrant issues these countries are experiencing iit isn't even close or comparible to problems in these cities, yet is sold as worse.

a reply to: TheGreazel

Fear monger much?

Why leave out the WOCD report that concluded 2.2% of assylumseekers was suspect of crime (twice as much a the national average) but...

most assylumseekers are usually young men with no money. When comparing that to a equal group of native men the crime rate is actually half

Peace

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
Like all liberal ideas that are based on feels and not real world facts, once they actually take off they will bite you in the ass.

Unrestricted and unvetted immigration sounds humane but when the reality kicks in that the immigrants don’t share your values or care about your culture you end up with serious crime like a massive increase in sexual assault, violent robberies and even grenades being thrown at police stations not to mention the economic burden on the state to support the 100’s of thousands of people who aren’t equipped or prepared to join the workforce.

When you say men who want to be women are in fact women you end up with perverts like the ball waxing tranny bloke and male athletes competing in women’s sports taking advantage of societies tolerance.

When you say anyone who can’t work should be given money to live on you end up with people who can work being lazy feckers and leeching off everyone else making it harder for society to support those who genuinely need it.

In the coming years the backlash to unrestricted altruism is going to be severe, it really won’t surprise me if things go to the extreme of the extreme of the right

Milton Friedman explained pretty well the issue between having open borders and a welfare state and basically said: Pick one - you can't have both (at least not for long).

I would like to see what would happen if the syrian/afghan refugees were all replaced with Norweigen, Danish or Austrian refugees. I'd like to see what the crime rates would be like.

The biggest problem I see in these countries with the "migrants" is that they have no pride in the country, they have no historical ties they don't even have history of sharing the same government structure. Democracies or representational monarchies/republics/etc are totally different than what many of these people have grown up with and they don't understand the "cost" to live in a society like this - and it eventually destroys the political structure from all different angles.

Austrian refugees would steal your kids and hold them as sex slaves in their basement.

They have a 20%+ HIV infection rate of the sexually active population (basically 50yrs & younger)

50 years you say? Bugger. That's me finished then.

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
Holy Schyitt! I just saw the video and read about the woman at the train stop pushing the 3 people under the train.


"Forty-year-old Eritrean migrant Habte Araya was arrested after attempting to push three people underneath a moving express train at Frankfurt central station. An elderly woman fell on the station platform and received light injuries, but a mother and her eight-year-old son fell onto the tracks where the child was killed instantly."

I feel like someone should re-write the song "Closing time" and make it invader appropriate - then play it non-stop in all the countries where they've showed up.


Closing Time modified for the occasion

Closing time
Time for you to go out go out into the world.
Closing time
Turn the lights off to every migrants house.
Closing time
One last call for bus fare so finish your packing now.
Closing time
You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
I know who I want to go home.
I know who I want to go home.
I know who I want to go home.
Just go home!
Closing time
Time for you to go back to the places you were before.
Closing time
This store won't be open 'til your brothers and you sisters leave.
So gather up your jackets,
and move it to the exits
I hope you have found a ride.
Closing time
Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end.
Yeah, I know who I want to go home.
I know…

This guy was a regular citizen of switzerland, he has family there and had a normal job. By the way, murdering kids is happening in germany too and mostly they were killed by german relatives. Just saying.

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
Holy Schyitt! I just saw the video and read about the woman at the train stop pushing the 3 people under the train.


"Forty-year-old Eritrean migrant Habte Araya was arrested after attempting to push three people underneath a moving express train at Frankfurt central station. An elderly woman fell on the station platform and received light injuries, but a mother and her eight-year-old son fell onto the tracks where the child was killed instantly."

I feel like someone should re-write the song "Closing time" and make it invader appropriate - then play it non-stop in all the countries where they've showed up.


Closing Time modified for the occasion

Closing time
Time for you to go out go out into the world.
Closing time
Turn the lights off to every migrants house.
Closing time
One last call for bus fare so finish your packing now.
Closing time
You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
I know who I want to go home.
I know who I want to go home.
I know who I want to go home.
Just go home!
Closing time
Time for you to go back to the places you were before.
Closing time
This store won't be open 'til your brothers and you sisters leave.
So gather up your jackets,
and move it to the exits
I hope you have found a ride.
Closing time
Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end.
Yeah, I know who I want to go home.
I know…

This guy was a regular citizen of switzerland, he has family there and had a normal job. By the way, murdering kids is happening in germany too and mostly they were killed by german relatives. Just saying.

originally posted by: TheGreazel
a reply to: DigginFoTroof
The crime rate numbers are beying downplayed all over Europe , this was recently in my country :

www.dutchnews.nl...

Here, I'm going to bring in info from you link:

Junior justice minister Mark Harbers has indicated he expects to resign, following the publication of police figures which ‘hid’ the number of asylum seekers suspected of serious crimes. Harbers said in a written statement to MPs that the mistake was his responsibility and that he wishes to debate the issue in parliament before ‘drawing his own conclusions’ – a euphemism for stepping down. It is unclear when the debate will take place. The figures, which were published last week, included suspicions of rape (4) and murder (31) under the heading ‘other’. Harbers was then accused of attempting to hide the figures

Read more at DutchNews.nl:

I believe this is happening in ALL countries regarding data on crime by immigrants. It's wrong.

What I see is, in offering a place of safe sanctuary for immigrants, they (Governments) are creating a dangerous and deadly culture for their existing citizens. Citizens who have offered services, space, basic necessities and tolerance to the newcomers only to be attacked or murdered or sexually assaulted. What a slap in the face.

a reply to: StoutBroux

Utter and complete BS...!!!

I have no idea how informed you are about this case in the Netherlands but if you are, you would know that this just another case of "miereneukerij"...

In a report last year 4600 crime related incidents with assylum seekers was entered into this report. By far the most crimes were shoplifting or theft related (about 2000 incidents). 20% of the total crimes was classified under "other crimes".

Those other crimes were assault (51 incidents), attemted rape (47 incidents) and attempted murder (31 incidents) and actually 1 account of murder.

Like I said in my post above, if you compare the crime rate of assylum seekers (mostly young men with little money) with native groups of young men with little money the crime rate is actually half of what the dutch avarage is...

We have assylum seeker centra in the Netherlands and what stands out is that crime around these facilities are actually not higher than any other place in the Netherlands.

That can either mean two things:

- these assylum seekers are commiting their crimes far away from these facilities (very unlikely since they lack transportation)

Or

-most these crimes are commited against other assylum seekers.

But you aren't going to be hearing anything about that because that wouldn't feed into the fear and the populations readyness to kick these people back to where they came from....

You people make me sick...

Peace

Karma eh?

Maybe SA is experiencing it!

Not saying I approve, but..oh the irony of this OP.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: StoutBroux

Utter and complete BS...!!!

I have no idea how informed you are about this case in the Netherlands but if you are, you would know that this just another case of "miereneukerij"...

In a report last year 4600 crime related incidents with assylum seekers was entered into this report. By far the most crimes were shoplifting or theft related (about 2000 incidents). 20% of the total crimes was classified under "other crimes".

Those other crimes were assault (51 incidents), attemted rape (47 incidents) and attempted murder (31 incidents) and actually 1 account of murder.

Like I said in my post above, if you compare the crime rate of assylum seekers (mostly young men with little money) with native groups of young men with little money the crime rate is actually half of what the dutch avarage is...

We have assylum seeker centra in the Netherlands and what stands out is that crime around these facilities are actually not higher than any other place in the Netherlands.

That can either mean two things:

- these assylum seekers are commiting their crimes far away from these facilities (very unlikely since they lack transportation)

Or

-most these crimes are commited against other assylum seekers.

But you aren't going to be hearing anything about that because that wouldn't feed into the fear and the populations readyness to kick these people back to where they came from....

You people make me sick...

Peace

I hear the same lame defense of crimes committed by illegal immigrants in America: They have a lower crime rate than American citizens. 1) I don’t believe that for a second, and 2) every murder, manslaughter, rape, assault, robbery and burglary committed by an illegal alien should never have happened because they’re here illegally. As for legal immigrants in Europe and America, we were extraordinarily kind to let them live in our First-World societies instead of the hellholes they fled. Any crimes or offensive actions they commit in their new havens are completely unacceptable by any and every society’s rules of behavior. Name one culture where it’s OK to commit crimes or show utter disregard for social norms. I don’t care where you move to, you show gratitude to those who kindly helped you when they could have ignored you. I’m sick of people making excuses for barbaric behavior.

a reply to: Scapegrace

What kind of logic is that?

"As for legal immigrants in Europe and America, we were extraordinarily kind to let them live in our First-World societies instead of the hellholes they fled. Any crimes or offensive actions they commit in their new havens are completely unacceptable by any and every society’s rules of behavior."

Are you saying that native people have more right to commit crimes? Because that what it sounds like...

Peace