Trump considering labeling ANTIFA A major terrorist organization .

" Yet we're going to let federal government rack up some extra power and precedence to address something that reflects less than 1% of anyone's "problem"."

Why not? We have federal laws that protect less than 1% of the population, when that should not be any of the federal governments business either.

a reply to: MrRCflying

And they say conserves want less Nanny State gubment, not more. Guess they were wrong.

The non-binding Senate resolution introduced this week in an effort to label “antifa” as “a domestic terrorist organization” is the product of years of well-publicized lies about antifa propagated by the right-wing press.
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More recently, Cruz was photographed posing with Enrique Tarrio. Tarrio, who attended the fascist-led Charlottesville rally in 2017, is now the leader of the Proud Boys, an “alt-right” fight gang with formal membership. Members are required to engage in violence to advance in the group. As Brinson told me, if RICO laws are applied to those involved in recent street clashes between the far right and radical left, it would be difficult to pick a more obvious group to use it on than the Proud Boys.

The far right continues to be a vast drumbeat of murder. In 2018, it was responsible for all 50 murders connected to “extremism” in the United States. Since 1990, by a conservative count, the U.S. far right has committed over 500 murders — and other counts go significantly higher. Antifa-style activists have killed one person during that same period, and that fatality occurred at a 1993 fight with Nazi skinheads, in which both parties had firearms. The amount of actual “antifa violence” — mostly involving fists, sticks, and pepper spray — pales in comparison to your average Friday night in a college town after the bars let out.
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truthout.org...

That's 500 : 1, innit? I'm confused.
Let's hope nobody will consider to do the math for this "uplifting" TED-talk, amirite?

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Skinheads? As in the Neo-Nazi's? Amazing how they are constituted as a right wing group considering how they are based on a socialist movement? Who is loudly spouting socialist ideals? Is it the right wing less government less laws group or is it the group who has morphed from democrat to democratic socialism? Up is down down is up, we live in an Orwellian nightmare of double speak, it has been in that way for decades. The poor boys are not a white supremacist group btw just a band of misguided patriots who allow any into their club, as opposed to Antifa who has more of a white only membership base.

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: DBCowboy

Look, Leftists, democrats, what ever you want to call them are synonymous with Antifa.

Do you honestly believe that?

Yes.

I honestly believe that they are the enforcement arm for the democrat party.

That's a shame.

Have you seen democrats denounce their actions? That's the real shame.

They don't represent democrats, they represent anti-fascism.

Have you seen the majority of republicans denounce white supremacy and white domestic terrorism? That's the bigger shame.

Republican legislation has always spoken louder than words. They freed the slaves, took on the KKK, fought Jim Crow laws, enacted civil rights. The real big shame is that they rolled over and took it when the Democrats played us with the "big switch" lie.

The political left is and has always been the racist, intolerant and most hateful party. They scapegoat and project.

"Racists!" They scream while treating minorities like lesser people who need the rich white liberals to help them lead decent lives.

"Intolerant bigots!" They shout as they denounce and belittle anyone who thinks outside their narrative.

They created the welfare state that traps minorities in a web of defeat. They passed legislation that inundated minorities harsh prison sentences for otherwise petty offenses. They control minority population growth through targeted abortion clinic and advertisement placement. In reality, they are perhaps the black American's biggest enemy.

But they are a silver tongued snake in the grass. They publicly denounce racism and white supremacy. They publicly speak for minority interests. They are loud about who the oppressors are. That's why so many people are duped by them.

a reply to: CrazyFox

Skinheads? As in the Neo-Nazi's? Amazing how they are constituted as a right wing group considering how they are based on a socialist movement?

A what? And the Night of the Long Knives was a Patriot Act for socialism?

Sure. You really enjoy those Anti-Antifa TED-talks, don't you?

a reply to: DBCowboy

How would you feel about “ labels “ if a homegrown radical Islamist movement, recycled group like weatherman 2.0 . Or the Aryan nation were labeled as a terrorist organization. Then because of the extra investigated tools that action prevented a spree of bombings that would have killed hundreds

Would your precived threat of a something that may or may not happen and has a long history of not happening be justified ?

a reply to: Fallingdown

I'm disappointed in that giving a group a certain label is the only thing that would spur a proper investigation.

a reply to: DBCowboy

How do you know the investigation hasn’t been going on before they considered the label ?

There’s too many assumptions when it could prevent violence .

I understand your position about being labeled. Like I said earlier that’s never hurt anyone that didn’t deserve it since the 1960s .

Hell people in the groups even found a niche. Many went on to teach and start this current insanity.

Liberals might hold something like ot against conservatives for 20 or 30 years.

But not many conservatives are going to do the same . We will write it off to the innocence of youth and liberals will still be considering us evil.

Even libertarians if you dared to disagree .

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: CrazyFox

Skinheads? As in the Neo-Nazi's? Amazing how they are constituted as a right wing group considering how they are based on a socialist movement?

A what? And the Night of the Long Knives was a Patriot Act for socialism?

Sure. You really enjoy those Anti-Antifa TED-talks, don't you?

Who is this Ted? Moseby he was not a good character in How I Met Your Mother." I am against any group that states they are against fascism but use fascism to force their viewpoints on everyone else. Show me how they are not the fascist scum they claim to be against and we can talk. Good luck

a reply to: CrazyFox

The mitigation of violence isn't thought policing opinions. And fascism is the merger of corporations and the state, don't get carried away by your favorite ATS mud-pit theories.

Who is this Ted?

Ted Cruze? Amazing! You don't even read the stuff I'm posting, nice presentation of ignorance right there!

Next?

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Ted Cruz eh I guess that would make sense. Gotta say was not a big fan until recently tho. Thought he was a jerkface in 2016 but since he grew that beard he seems like a completely different man. I called out Antifa as being fascist scum long before thim tho. So you deny that using violence to silence those who disagree with you is fascist? The Antifa goons work for the democrats right. The party of bureaucracy ergo the corporate party. Kind of disappointed I had to spell it out for you= being as you are not "ignorant"

a reply to: CrazyFox

So you deny that using violence to silence those who disagree with you is fascist?

And how is the mitigation of violence an allegedly fascist operation to silence anyone?
Antifa isn't ytube censoring Abby Martin, or Mr. Presents locking up Assange for that matter. Get your definitions straight, this is ridiculous.

The Antifa goons work for the democrats right. The party of bureaucracy ergo the corporate party.

And Reaganomics is Bernies platform? C'mon, get over the stupid mainstream sophistry already.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Bernie? Sorry I felt the bern in 2016 then saw him come onstage all beaten up and pledge his support to ughh her. Bernt me out right then and there. Voted for Jill as she was the only one who ran on a platform of peace but apparently she was part of the "Russia" thingy too. Antifa's flag reminds one of the old commie party during Nazi Germany (well right before it anyways) I have no time for commies using the threat of violence to intimidate anyone. I have not watched any news (with the exception of the Benghazi trials on cspan) since 2003 so not sure what mainstream you are talking about.

originally posted by: links234
Number of people killed by AntiFa this year? Zero.

Clearly a danger to us all.

Killing people isn't a prerequisite for terrorism..

Try looking up the definition for the word Terrorist..

That said, ANTIFA tried to buy military grade weapons from the cartels to start a revolution. They have often been cited as saying they would like to kill (place xxx name/organization/ideology here). They have been violent from the start and used fear and force to impose their will on opponents at numerous gatherings and events.

We have just recently had two actual attacks that left a lot of people dead, where the perps were linked (however loosely that may have been), to ANTIFA.

It's only a matter of time until elements aligned with them or a part of them start bombing or shooting in earnest.

Trump winning 2020 will be a major tipping point for these groups of people and adding them to the terror organization list now is a good preemptive move.

a reply to: Ironclad1964

We have just recently had two actual attacks that left a lot of people dead, where the perps were linked (however loosely that may have been), to ANTIFA.

What two are those?

a reply to: Liquesence

Off the top of my head...

The Colorado shooters were both left wing activists.

Dayton shooters Twitter account showed he was an ANTIFA supporter and a full-on Leftist.

The ICE attacker was also ANTIFA panty waste, though he was far too incompetent to actually do any damage.

Pretty sure the Virginia Beach shooter was a full on leftie too, or an Islamic extremist.

Admittedly, out of the 248 mass shootings since 1/1/2019, very few can be attributed to either right or left wing groups. Nearly all were from gang related incidents, family incidents, drug / alcohol related, home invasions or robberies, etc..