I think universal healthcare is stupid

I've only ever known universal healthcare and I've been stiched, opened up, and fixed loads of times over the years by the NHS. I say good luck to every nation to choose whatever the people think best for them. When I travel I always buy health insurance, and if I had to do it here I would. Overall I'm happy enough with the service here, but if that were to change then like any new reality, I will embrace it and adapt.

Edit, some years ago I was treated on a trolley bed half naked in a hospital corridor, semi-emergency admission but no spare beds. The doctor apologised and I laughed saying "####ing hell mate, I'm just grateful you are fixing me, I couldn't give a #### if it was on a bench in town and my balls were on show to the world!" He laughed back and said he loved my attitude 😂


Edit, I also replied "#### me mate, throw me in the stocks and give the villagers tomatoes to throw if that's what's needed to fix me" and he laughed again. It is what it is, I pay taxes and get a service which fixes most stuff for me, can die and actually leave my son a penny or two if I did in some horrible situation after chemo/radiation treatment for cancer.
I definitely ain't gonna vote to change the system here.

a reply to: rockintitz

ok, then stop using the taxes paid by people who can't afford the down payment for that operation they need, or the insulin the need to stay alive.... or any other healthcare need they may have that is just too danged expensive just to give it to those "poor" who society seems to think is more deserving to live than they are!!

a reply to: rockintitz

What about all the free-loaders with no policies using emergency rooms and driving up the costs for everyone?

a reply to: rockintitz

Just for once I'd like to hear some high and mighty Republican have some real balls and say what he really wants. If you want to have a true free market system then propose or better yet pass a law when Republicans have the majority of all 3 branches stating if people do not have insurance then when they go to the emergency room they are turned away by military force.

I'm so sick of the nambi pambi criticisms of Democrats but the Republicans never stand up for what they really want. Just say it. No premium no service. Just get it out in the open. It's like being a homosexual and coming out of the closet. You will feel so much better.

And while you are at just say you want to get rid of social security too. If grandma is homeless on the street then just say "tough luck for her". Just say it. Don't be shy hiding behind some false Jesus religion claiming to be altruistic which is nothing but pure lies and furthest from the truth!!!

a reply to: Silure

Thanks for relating your positive experiences with the National Health System. As we get closer to the next U.S. election, Democrats will begin putting like yourself in front of cameras to tell their story(s).

a reply to: SeaWorthy

That's not what is happening in the US. These are able bodied people by and large wanting free school, healthcare, a house. They can join the reserves or active duty and get all those things. They don't want to do that because that would mean actually having to do something to earn it.

Some do need help but most do not. They just want the stuff for nothing like paying off student loans. Hey, they took the loans out and what about the lazy ones who flunked out. They seriously want someone else to pay for it. It's nonsense. Never going to happen.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Most Republicans in Congress are spineless. They have beliefs, but refuse to fight for them in a unified manner. Immigration laws are a prime example.

With ObamaCare repeal, Republicans were just plain dumb for not opening Medicare availability first, before voting to repeal ObamaCare. The repeal would have passed the House/Senate EASILY.

The candidate who will stand the best chance of beating President Trump in 2020, will be the one who proposes a dual system. Free Market those who want it. Medicare for those who want it, w/subsidies to help the working poor afford it.

a reply to: rockintitz

Well it's one way to reduce the number of citizens.

originally posted by: BuckyWunderlick

originally posted by: rockintitz
I think universally, in America, healthcare is already a right.
You cannot stop me from paying for health insurance. Checkmate, bigot.
Stop making me pay for someone elses health insurance. I don't want to do that.

If they didn’t have universal healthcare it would mean that (gasp) they’d have to care for each other. More often than not universal healthcare is the stamp of a decadent society.

A lot of the rest of the world has universal healthcare. All sorts of societies.

Countries with Universal Healthcare - Wikipedia

a reply to: rockintitz

Go get your facts right first, stop spouting crap.

World Dental checks stated that the U.K. is in the top 5 for best natural teeth and hygiene. With the US in lower 10th. 🙄🤔

Also, Brits that go abroad, not just to the U.S. pay for cosmetic plastic surgery.

But on the flip side I am not a fan of our NHS, in fact if hate it 😡....miss managed and too costly with poorly trained staff and not enough staff on the frontline.
I personally have had only bad experiences with NHS all my life😡👎.

a reply to: carewemust

Lol, democrats would hate me! I only praise the system we have here because it is all I've ever known and I'm happy enough with it. What other countries do is up to them, I got no dog in anyone else's fight 👍

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: BrianFlanders

I think doctors and hospitals should eat the cost of the uninsured or get out of the "healthcare" business. If you're going to charge someone tens of thousands of dollars to save their life, you're just another greedy POS leech posing as some kind of humanitarian hero.

They already do.

That's why health care is so expensive.

No they don't. If they're still getting money from the government to pay them for the work they did, they are not eating the cost. They're just charging someone else.

What I mean to say is let's say that you are walking down the street and you see someone laying there dying from something you just happen to know how to fix. So you fix them and they live and you don't expect to get paid for it because you're a decent human being.

Or, a more accurate comparison might be that you see someone bleeding to death and you take your shirt off and use it to stop the bleeding without demanding they buy you a new shirt. Because you're a decent human being, you don't see their crisis as an excuse to prey upon them.

But this is all contrary to the actual purpose of the medical profession. Most of these people are not decent human beings. They're just parasites. And so, medical care will always be a racket. It's not about helping people and saving lives. It's about money.

And so, we are at a place where we have to just admit that no one can be allowed to live without an income of some kind. If everyone has to have certain things and other people are not willing to fill in the gaps, something has to give. There are just too many people. Don't forget that stupid people exist and they can't get good jobs because they're too stupid to do them. So what are you going to do with millions of people who are too stupid to pay the price of admission?

a reply to: andy06shake

But it isn't just Nurses though, its across all working people and non working people. Picking out that its Nurses or Doctors makes it sound like those are the only ones suffering when the Tories have been cutting their pay and the pay of most people for years now. Nurses were able to live good lives as were most working people until the Tories came in and began to cut everything other than their own pay and entitlements. So it has nothing to do with the NHS or the way it works but to do with the government deciding that it can work with less and so can the people employed.

a reply to: Dwoodward85

No, it's not just nurses indeed.

I think further on in the thread i also said as much.

I think we all know it's the Tories who are currently responsible, still has plenty to do with the NHS all the same, because without it functioning effectively, millions of peoples lives are at risk.

Which is quite possibly part of there nefarious agenda.

Ya...insurance companies can easily be completely removed from the loop....a medical industry revolution is about to hit NA.

Why socialist healthcare ( re: redistribution of wealth) doesn't work.... and is not FAIR

The Affordable Care Act added millions of mostly poor people to the insurance rolls. But the law is driving premiums so high that middle-class people can no longer afford insurance. Several million are expected to drop coverage in 2018. Under ObamaCare, poor lives matter. Middle-class lives? Not so much.

The big losers are middle-class buyers priced out of the individual insurance market and taxpayers footing the bill for the billions in extra spending these fixers are proposing. The winners are insurance companies.

nypost.com...

That's just one aspect of it.

Government rationing... think of the ramifications there...I bet the people here from countries outside the US won't tell us the truth...

The government would undertake comparative-effectiveness research and cost-effectiveness research, and use the results of that research to impose practice guidelines on providers — initially, in government programs such as Medicare and Medicaid, but possibly eventually extending such rationing to private insurance plans.

www.cato.org...

The HITECH ACT: Probably something very few have heard about..... I heard about it at an ISSA meeting a number of years ago.... the HITECH ACT was part of the Stimulus package at the beginning of Obama admin. The Act brought Stimulus funds to clinics and hospitals for upgrading their medical records.... ie their medical record keeping through upgrading the infrastructure of their office IT systems and databases. There is another aspect to it as well....that is the penalties for any breaches of personal medical data..... which fines the company up to a million dollars, depending on the amount of data breach. So, now the network admins for the companies have to take responsibility for this.... wanna be a network admin now??? Additionally, auditors can get a cut of any breaches they find..... sound fun?
Why was the Obama admin so involved in people upgrading their medical databases? Any ideas? How about excessive government control? How about the government spying on people through databases. Anybody remember TIA? The Total Information Awareness program promoted by Admiral Poindexter? Congress actually dumped that.... interestingly..... but the webpage had the DARPA logo embedded on it.... the TIA logo was the all-seeing eye of the capstone overlooking the earth.... the controlling elites and secret societies watching diligently over the masses of the inhabitants of the whole earth. Now getting the big picture? Big Brother spies on all humans in their NWO, and use the databases which connect everything, and thus, government controlled healthcare is part of that.

This is also why I am so adamantly against the whole government run healthcare..... this is just the beginning.
Oops, almost forgot....this is a website promoting it.....www.usfhealthonline.com...

Here's somewhat of an overview of HITECH www.hitechanswers.net...
It sounds all rosy ….. but that's what Totalitarians do... they make their jails look so nice and comfy. How come the patients whose records are exposed don't get a kickback of the fines but the auditors do? Patients records exposed.... what does the patient get as compensation? Nothing. but the government does get compensation. They probably thought the fines would help pay for ACA... but that's just speculation on my part.


Any way, while there is always the chance of technology becoming a problem in the wake of it's implementation, there is usually some benefit. I wonder why so many people believe the government cares about them?

a reply to: rockintitz

Stereotypes are basically fact in your world it would seem.

is ignorance bliss btw?

a reply to: carewemust

Free Market those who want it. Medicare for those who want it, w/subsidies to help the working poor afford it.

Please see my post and what's wrong with ACA..... it caused a huge spike in premiums.... even before it passed because companies knew what it was going to bring....while millions of poor may get government access, the middle class had to pay for it and lose their doctors and their ability to pay premiums. Then there were the fines..... I believe that the proponents of the ACA believed the fines would help pay for the programs. And we are not just talking about the actual premiums, we are talking about the overhead. See my post about the HITECT ACT...… overhead there of policing the medical databases.
It's all connected.

And then there's this

thefga.org...

and this

townhall.com...

Gruber admitted that the Obama administration went through "tortuous" measures to keep the facts about the legislation from the American people, including covering up the redistribution of wealth from the healthy to the sick in the legislation that Obamacare is in fact a tax. The video of his comments just recently surfaced ahead of the second open enrollment period for Obamacare at Healthcare.gov.

and this:

Universal health insurance does not necessarily mean universal access to health care. In practice, many countries promise universal coverage but ration care or have extremely long waiting lists for treatment. Those countries that have single-payer systems or systems heavily weighted toward government control are the most likely to face waiting lists, rationing, restrictions on the choice of physician, and other barriers to care.

www.cato.org...

a reply to: dfnj2015

when they go to the emergency room they are turned away by military force.

I'm sorry, wth are you talking about? Totalitarian is the Leftist way, the communist way, not the way of Liberty. And who are the communists and socialists in the country???? Or in other countries, I daresay