The 2 Creatures That Could Deny Evolution !

Do you know the crucial difference between cloning animals, and trying to resurrect an extinct species?


With a clone, you have living DNA to work from.

With an extinct species, you have DNA which is no longer living.


Scientists like to think DNA creates life, from DNA alone. As if they believe life can magically be created with DNA, or something!


Not a chance.

It's like piling up tires, an engine, and sheet metal, hoping it will magically transforms from a pile of parts, into a sports car!

Only far more magic is needed for creating life from the DNA

originally posted by: turbonium1
We have yet to resurrect any extinct species, so claiming it is possible, is purely speculation on your part.


And it's not relevant to the issue, anyway.

Cloning has already been achieved on higher order vertebates, so no, it is not pure speculation.

What is pure speculation, however, is the belief that all life was created in a non changing, fully developed state. There is ZERO evidence, even anecdotal, for that being the case,


Even if one subscribes to the belief of a creator, there is no scientific reason to believe that evolution wasn't the mechanism that was employed.

As to "relevance", you are the one that made the "gone forever" statement. You can't then credibly say it is irrelevant, when it is simply a response to a statement you, yourself made.

originally posted by: turbonium1
It's like piling up tires, an engine, and sheet metal, hoping it will magically transforms from a pile of parts, into a sports car!

Only far more magic is needed for creating life from the DNA

yes because an inanimate, inorganic pile of junk being transformed into a useful mechanical object is exactly the same thing as relatively simple organic proteins, chemicals and an energy source, and a billion years to be in the right set of circumstances.

That tired, old arguement actually flies in the face of those who believe things were created in full form. No believer in evolution, that I know of anyway, will assert that a warm pond full of chemicals and proteins instantly became a complex multi organ animal.

a reply to: turbonium1

It's done by using an embryo and altering the DNA within it, there's a lot of research done already in this field.

And no we're not bringing anything back as of the moment due to the ethical questions it raises. It's possible though.

What about dogs anyways?

If evolution and selective mutations is all bunk then how do we have so many breeds of dog?

How can dogs breed with wolves?

What about the equidae (horse) family?

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: turbonium1

It's done by using an embryo and altering the DNA within it, there's a lot of research done already in this field.

And no we're not bringing anything back as of the moment due to the ethical questions it raises. It's possible though.

There are obvious, and IMO valid ethical questions involved, but not all countries with the technology have the same ethics value systems.

i remember reading somewhere that the Chinese were actively researching not only bringing extinct species back, but on "designer babies" as well.

A bit too Orwellian for my old school way of thinking. And I'm not talking about religious concerns either. Its more of a master race issue.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: gallop
Thus proving that creationists still have yet to fully comprehend the theory of evolution.. Wow and in 2019 no less..

*reads signiture*

Well maybe you could fully explain the science of evolution, ha ha ha haaa
Science, it’s people like you who hate science, who show it no respect and pervert it to suit your faith

If science could explain irreducible design (doubt you have ever heard of that phrase) then you may have a right to question my opinion

Before you mock someone else from atop your high horse, it would behoove you to check your facts first so that it’s not you who comes across as extraordinarily ignorant. The phrase you were grasping for is IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY.

originally posted by: Gothmog


So , again , what is the trigger point and mechanism ?

A couple of bigger triggers are rapid change in ecological niche and population bottlenecks.

Mechanisms include mutation, genetic drift, gene flow and natural selection.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Quantumgamer1776
a reply to: Gothmog

Random mutations happen, some helpful some not, helpful mutations make it easier for that individual to survive and pass on that mutation, non helpful ones make it harder for that individual to pass on that mutation.

I feel like this was all explained pretty well in freshmen biology

Like the "mutation" where man lost most of the body hair ?
During the Ice Age ?

Too bad that loss of body hair didn’t occur during the LGM and instead happened much earlier in Africa, not Europe.

originally posted by: peter vlar

Before you mock someone else from atop your high horse, it would behoove you to check your facts first so that it’s not you who comes across as extraordinarily ignorant. The phrase you were grasping for is IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY.

Although I never support mockery, "irreducible design" also makes sense though. The irreducible design of a clock means that it cannot have less than the essential parts that its design requires.

Just like a heart needs blood vessels and lungs which needs a digestive system to acquire energy which needs a filtration system to filter out the crap, all of which requires a nervous system to properly direct all these functions, which requires a protective encasing (skull) to protect it, which requires muscles to keep it supported which requires tendons to keep it fastened to bones which require marrow which makes red blood cells.... which makes you realize that blood vessels are erroneous without bone marrow... etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

The step-by-step mechanisms proposed in Evolutionary theory are therefore impossible. We are irreducibly complex organisms.

The theory of evolution.... despite decades and decades of very serious study..... and vast amount of dollars.... comes down to 1 undeniable truth.
You must grant evolution 1 unquestioned miracle...or the whole theory falls apart.

originally posted by: Zimnydran
The theory of evolution.... despite decades and decades of very serious study..... and vast amount of dollars.... comes down to 1 undeniable truth.
You must grant evolution 1 unquestioned miracle...or the whole theory falls apart.

While I don't believe that for a minute, mostly because new discoveries have been made over the course of millennia, as every generation builds upon the work of their predecessors, but since you stated it that way, how is that different than the belief of a "creator being" or god, if you prefer? Doesn't that depend on some sort of "unquestioned miracle" at some point as well?

originally posted by: gallop
Thus proving that creationists still have yet to fully comprehend the theory of evolution.. Wow and in 2019 no less..

*reads signiture*

Outstanding horse sense
The creationists are blinded by science. Won't be the first time, and it won't be the last.
They exemplify the south end of you, going north
*read signature*

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: gallop
Thus proving that creationists still have yet to fully comprehend the theory of evolution.. Wow and in 2019 no less..

*reads signiture*

Well maybe you could fully explain the science of evolution, ha ha ha haaa
Science, it’s people like you who hate science, who show it no respect and pervert it to suit your faith

If science could explain irreducible design (doubt you have ever heard of that phrase) then you may have a right to question my opinion

Before you mock someone else from atop your high horse, it would behoove you to check your facts first so that it’s not you who comes across as extraordinarily ignorant. The phrase you were grasping for is IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY.

Well thanks PV for the spelling lesson
But it doesn’t lessen the question

You up for it
High horse, I will get down now

I wasn’t grasping for a phrase, was interested in science
I won’t get it from you, you hate science
Touché

Any scientist who doesn't wear an ass for a hat or work for Ken Ham will tell you differently. Crocs can be traced to many earlier creatures, and they themselves have splintered off into many subspecies. We've got the fossils. Same with the sturgeon. There are plenty different species of sturgeon toeday. That's evolution. The ignorance in this thread is why ATS is a dumpster fire these days...and you woulda had a better argument with the coelacanth.

originally posted by: gallop
Thus proving that creationists still have yet to fully comprehend the theory of evolution.. Wow and in 2019 no less..

*reads signiture*

God created everything to live in its original perfect environment. The garden was to grow and cover the earth along with the perfect creations "each according to iis kind" they had no need to change. The artist said "it was good".

Outside the garden everything suffered, plant, animal and human and had to change as the environment disintegrated and continues to do so.

a reply to: Akragon

Been off ATS for a long time now. I'm looking forward to all the cringey backlog here!

I agree it's a pile that is repetitive and goes nowhere..

But it feels so good to read..... haha!

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: Zimnydran
The theory of evolution.... despite decades and decades of very serious study..... and vast amount of dollars.... comes down to 1 undeniable truth.
You must grant evolution 1 unquestioned miracle...or the whole theory falls apart.

While I don't believe that for a minute, mostly because new discoveries have been made over the course of millennia, as every generation builds upon the work of their predecessors, but since you stated it that way, how is that different than the belief of a "creator being" or god, if you prefer? Doesn't that depend on some sort of "unquestioned miracle" at some point as well?

The difference is:
FAITH
One group admits to their beliefs being faith based.
One group tries to take the high rode and say their beliefs are not faith based, when parts of what they BELIEVE clearly are.

I think evolution will be argued forever just like climate change. You here a lot of theories but no concrete evidence. I have always thought God played a joke on evolutionists with the Platypus. Here is a mammal that lays eggs and has a duck bill and webbed feet. It would seem it jumped thru several evolution stages? Or is it the missing link between dinosaurs and mammals since it is believed birds are more related to dinosaurs than reptiles