Why does everything have to kill to exist?

a reply to: firesnake

Well, they say it is the journey that's of importance in the grand scheme of things.

It's not where we came from that's the problem though, it's where we are going.

And more importantly how we are getting there.

a reply to: andy06shake

The elements with atomic mass above 60 are too heavy to have been formed in the lifecycle of even a red giant. Current theory is that the heavier elements in you originated with the Big Bang itself.

But yeah, we are billion year old carbon

a reply to: Gargoyle91

I always wondered too. Seems so...cruel and weird. Maybe we'll have a better understanding when we leave this life.

a reply to: Graysen

That's what supernova were for, apparently, the heavier elements that is.

a reply to: Night Star

Suppose if you hedge your bets, you win ether way or at worst never know you lost.

a reply to: Graysen

It's what's in between the nucleus and electrons of the atom that's probably of interest.

Apparently, proportionally speaking, the distance is kind of """astronomical"".

originally posted by: Gargoyle91
This is just a question I have always pondered theres nothing that lives on this planet the dosent survive off of death . Even plant life is life you cannot walk without causing death of some sort life you just stepped on . There is no way you can live without causing the death of something .

Would like to hear others thoughts on this .

Just imagine if things weren't that way.

Imagine if everything just lived to an old age until they died feeding on inanimate objects like rock and water. Hoards of geriatric rats climbing over the non-decomposing bodies of their ancestors. Fields covered with living and dead insects because nothing eats them. Eventually every square inch of the Earth's surface would be covered with non-rotting corpses.

Let’s dig deeper. What is death?

a reply to: Gargoyle91

It is called the food chain. Life needs energy which is obtained from consuming other life forms; that is just how it is.

originally posted by: Secretrooster
Let’s dig deeper. What is death?

That is the question.

originally posted by: Secretrooster
Let’s dig deeper. What is death?

Some people worry and fret over dying. I ask the question; did you worry or fret about being born? Death is not to be feared just as you did not fear being born.

That is the nature of existence/being, at least in our physical reality, as far as we know. Without life or death there would be no existence/being. We can't have one without the other. Just like we can't have: good without evil, love without hate, sickness without health, truth without lies, light without dark, masculine without feminine, right without left, above without below, positive without negative, etc.. These things combined make up God which is everything including our physical reality, as well as, things which we can't comprehend like the spiritual world or alternate dimensions. According to the bible we are created in the image/likeness of God. Its our free will to choose which path(s) we want to follow.

Language has been altered throughout time so words in historical writings don't necessarily have the same meaning in the past as they do today & in some cases the opposite meaning. For instance, 'bigot' really means 'by God', 'good' means 'God', 'goodbye' means 'God be with you'. This just scratches the surface of words changing meaning throughout time. People's thoughts of God in the past may have had a totally different meaning vs people's thoughts of God today. They may have actually understood existence/being/conscious better then we do. Some children of today believe 'being saved' means to be stored for future use vs others who believe 'being saved' means rescued from eternal damnation.

a reply to: Gargoyle91

Not enough calories in beans.

I've always had the theory that everything in the universe is connected.
Think of the largest known consuming force we know of, a black hole. Sucking in energy and matter for some sort of purpose. I feel what we here on earth are doing is simply on the same sort of path, consume energy and control it to hold onto it as much as possible. The universe is a power struggle. And I think one day all the black holes will eventually win and compete with one another, leading to the big crunch.

Necessity.

a reply to: Gargoyle91

Surprised no one has challenged this yet.

... There is no way you can live without causing the death of something ...

The most evolved life that we know of: plants, don't.
(Other than the minimal carnivorous plants).

Sure: modern land plants and trees now profit from enriched soil, full of decomposing life: but theoretically, most could survive with just water, and photosynthesis, and sometimes carbon-dioxide. Many thrive thusly.

The supposed first plant life: Algal mats, are formed solely through photosynthesis and carbon dioxide.

They are supposedly formed from an older lifeform: Cyanobacteria,
which 'feeds' solely on photosynthesis.

Also: what about: Earliest known life forms?

Also: some Endoliths survive only on minerals.

Also: what if a human only ate some fruit that fell off-of the tree, or seasonal plants after they die naturally?

It is quite literally a matter of energy transference. Things consume and gain energy from sources like the sun and things consume those things to gain energy and so on until the earth consumes us. Life = energy. Energy=life

a reply to: VictorVonDoom

Sounds like a "grey goo" scenario if ever there was one.

a reply to: Secretrooster

Possibly the end, or the end of the beginning.

How longs a piece of string?

Scientifically speaking though it's probably energy conservation/redistribution.

A more interesting conundrum seems to be what is life, or at least what constitutes such?

originally posted by: ADSE255
a reply to: Gargoyle91

Because we live in hell.

This place is hell.

This is very reflective of you as an individual.
I think we’re living in heaven. We’ve been given a glimpse of the physical realm, a very unique opportunity.
There is a lot of beauty within the brutality.

It’s the circle of life, no one judges the lion for eating the deer, or the deer for eating the grass, or the grass for using the sunlight to it’s own benefit.

Life is what you make of it, don’t waste your only opportunity. It can be heaven or it can be hell. Most of the time it’s somewhere in between.