Hitting the Right political buttons....

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Unfortunate that you're not quite addressing the issue at hand but welcome to the circle-jerk.

And what is that issue? That the left is getting their asses kicked on this site and you don't like it?

Suck it up.

Look at what you actually just said, and then all your stars for that post.

You just validated the OP very strongly.

a reply to: chr0naut

Look at what you actually just said, and then all your stars for that post.

You just validated the OP very strongly.

These are the arguments the OP was making, but that doesn't make them valid. Complaining about losing arguments does not validate the argument of anybody. Normally that would be a call to do better, but no. To you, it's just validation. How expected.

Let's be honest, this notion of ATS being some hyper right-wing echo chamber is only ever believed by the truly naive.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
Here is the thread I was referring to.

Sanders or Trump

Just look through the posters and see who have switched sides or changed their opinions. It may be a bit surprising.

Nice! This post stood out to me... 3 and a half years later and the country, being ran as a business, is in its best shape in a very long time...

Right-leaning? It wasn't to long ago that I remember socialist Bernie Sanders being the darling boy here. And before that it was Ron Paul. You gotta play with the cards you are dealt.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Political debate on ATS has reached a point where it doesn’t matter what anyone says so long as it hits the right political buttons it gets pats on the back all round in what amounts to a circle jerk of political opinion.

You sound like one'a them liberal commies!

originally posted by: schuyler
Right-leaning? It wasn't to long ago that I remember socialist Bernie Sanders being the darling boy here. And before that it was Ron Paul. You gotta play with the cards you are dealt.

Oh and don't forget when the folks of ATS got weak in the knees and a tingle up their spine over their Lord and Savior Obama.

a reply to: Serdgiam

That's what I'm saying... The left has gone so far to the left that those in the middle and slight left (not the AOC radical type) now share views with the right, or are seen as right wingers. I don't even think there's a right and left right now. There are Trump supporters and anti-Trumpers. Both have Repubs and dems in them.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Unfortunate that you're not quite addressing the issue at hand but welcome to the circle-jerk.

And what is that issue? That the left is getting their asses kicked on this site and you don't like it?

Suck it up.

Actually nobody is getting their asses kicked, quite often what I see on is a small handful of us left who still challenge the views of the right being shouted down with childish calls of "you have TDS"

Always the victim are you not? Do you ever stop and think that if people are calling the left out and many people agree with them, that maybe, just possibly, what some of the left is saying is nonsense? I see it all the time here and for some reason the most bat-snip crazy drivel seems to come from the left more than the right.

I consider myself very liberal with conservative morals, I'm very open to new and progressive ideas, but the lack of anything resembling basic common sense coming from many of the left leaning members makes me just shake my head as to how anybody or group can be so obtuse and ignorant to reality in the real world.

For what it's worth I also see more lefty members/trolls hurling insults that lack no validity or constructive dialogue, than I do members on the right. My perspective is that the right tends to be more on the defensive side of the argument/debate while left arguments tend to be more offensive. YMMV

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Dude honestly, nice post, interesting to hear it from the other side.

And me calling him daddy-Trump or saying he has a face like a used tampon after a fake tan isn't meant as an insult to trump supporters but just daddy trump....its probably just my British sense of humour.

Damn bro... What kind of girls are you dating that have used tampons that look like fake tans?

I don't have a clue where that came from.

Am running low on names to call Trump so am kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel

It came from you saying Trump looks like a used tampon with his fake tan.

Running out of names to call Trump... Not exactly something to brag about. You're not alone either, that's why people say you have TDS.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I think you're a little hung up on stars and flags and whether opinions are left, right, conservative, liberal, etc.

I don't care if my opinions are popular. They are mine and I have my reasons for having them.

I believe the US Constitution is a very good framework for a government. It may not be perfect, but if properly applied I can't think of a system I would rather live under. It calls for limiting the role and power of federal, state, and local governments. It calls for treating everyone equally. I think the biggest problem we have in this country is when government tries to overstep its boundaries and gives some people more rights and privileges under the law. Whether that's a "left" or "right" opinion seems to vary from situation to situation.

I don't believe we should be wasting lives and resources getting into wars with countries who are no threat to us. I don't believe we should be getting into treaties and alliances that will drag us into wars that someone else wants. I don't believe we have the right to tell other countries what they can buy, sell, or make. Whether that is considered "conservative" or "liberal" seems to depend on the current political climate, but I haven't seen any facts that change my opinion.

When it comes to Trump, well, I don't think he's the sort of guy I'd want to go out and have a beer with. But when it comes to doing his job as President, I have to give him a thumbs up for the most part. He has taken his experience as a businessman and treated the country as a business he wanted to grow. He has nixed obviously detrimental deals like the Paris Accords and the Trans Pacific Partnership. He used a ham-fisted approach to negotiating trade deals more beneficial to the US. He has so far refrained from wasting US resources in more pointless military action in Syria, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea. The market is up, unemployment is down, and the economy is humming along smoothly. To paraphrase a local lawyer's ad, he may be an SOB, but he's our SOB. I didn't vote for him in 2016, but I'd vote for him in 2020 regardless of whether he ran as a Democrat or Republican. Assuming, of course, nobody better came along.



I guess what I'm trying to say is don't get so caught up in left, right, liberal, conservative, or any other labels. You want to state your opinion and your reasons behind it, go for it. You will be called racist, anti-Semitic, libtard, misogynist, nazi, communist, socialist, every name in the book and a few you never heard of. But you know name calling is just an attempt to shut down the conversation. Don't let it. Eventually, the name callers will either have to discuss the matter using facts and logic, or they will just have to move along and hope their insults work better the next time the issue comes up.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I see you are still in your pattern of making a thread calling for civility, then making one name calling those you disagree with.

Wasnt all of your opinions here hashed out on this thread?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You know, where you admit to just being a troll that is no longer interested in honest debate?

I post plenty of material where i engage with people I disagree with without name calling; so do many other left a right leaning people.

You are more interested in name calling, then complaining when people respond to you in kind.

Why dont you stop making these threads and stop name calling and being childish, and maybe you'll find those your interacting with will treat you in a better manner leading to more productive conversations.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

To be clear I was more saying that its the membership who are basically right-wing not the site itself.

That was my point. ATS does not solicit right-wing members or left-wing members or sideways-wing members or diagonal-wing members. If the majority of members here don't agree with you, that doesn't mean it's ATS or the ATS membership that's at fault... it means most people just don't agree with you!

Take a moment... deep breath... try to understand that. If you meet one person that thinks your ideology is crap, you met one person who thinks your ideology is crap. If almost everyone you meet thinks your ideology is crap, chances are your ideology really is crap. If you meet one guy who sounds like a xenophobe, you met one guy who happens to be a xenophobe. If everyone you meet sounds like a xenophobe, you're the xenophobe!

Look in the damn mirror.

I can't put it any simpler than that. You're howling at the moon because almost everyone you met disagrees with your ideology and you think it's somehow their fault. No. You're just in the minority. It's that simple.

TheRedneck

There are still some reasonable middle-of-the-road comments made here occasionally. They just don't get a lot of traction, because the extremists don't know how to respond to them since they don't get to call people names.

Name-calling has definitely replaced a lot of debate here.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

To be clear I was more saying that its the membership who are basically right-wing not the site itself.

That was my point. ATS does not solicit right-wing members or left-wing members or sideways-wing members or diagonal-wing members. If the majority of members here don't agree with you, that doesn't mean it's ATS or the ATS membership that's at fault... it means most people just don't agree with you!

Take a moment... deep breath... try to understand that. If you meet one person that thinks your ideology is crap, you met one person who thinks your ideology is crap. If almost everyone you meet thinks your ideology is crap, chances are your ideology really is crap. If you meet one guy who sounds like a xenophobe, you met one guy who happens to be a xenophobe. If everyone you meet sounds like a xenophobe, you're the xenophobe!

Look in the damn mirror.

I can't put it any simpler than that. You're howling at the moon because almost everyone you met disagrees with your ideology and you think it's somehow their fault. No. You're just in the minority. It's that simple.

TheRedneck

That seems to be assuming that ATS is in anyway representative of society as a whole.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

My question from page one of your previous thread where you were name calling trump supporters.

Just curious

After this thread calling trump a turd and trump supporters butt hurt and what not

How long will it be before you post another thread saying everyone needs to be polite and you are a good person who doesn’t like how ats treats non trump supporter?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I guess the answer was a little over 40 days

a reply to: Grambler

Lmao! I checked your link and found this:

How long will it be before you post another thread saying everyone needs to be polite and you are a good person who doesn’t like how ats treats non trump supporter

www.abovetopsecret.com...

OP does seem like the pot calling the kettle black for sure 😂😂😂
Edit, sorry, just noticed you quoted it yourself, I wouldn't have posted if I'd read further after the post of yours which I replied to.
Thanks though, made me laugh, what a hypocrite lol

a reply to: Grambler

He thinks people haven't figured this out yet.

It's ridiculous.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

To be clear I was more saying that its the membership who are basically right-wing not the site itself.

That was my point. ATS does not solicit right-wing members or left-wing members or sideways-wing members or diagonal-wing members. If the majority of members here don't agree with you, that doesn't mean it's ATS or the ATS membership that's at fault... it means most people just don't agree with you!

Take a moment... deep breath... try to understand that. If you meet one person that thinks your ideology is crap, you met one person who thinks your ideology is crap. If almost everyone you meet thinks your ideology is crap, chances are your ideology really is crap. If you meet one guy who sounds like a xenophobe, you met one guy who happens to be a xenophobe. If everyone you meet sounds like a xenophobe, you're the xenophobe!

Look in the damn mirror.

I can't put it any simpler than that. You're howling at the moon because almost everyone you met disagrees with your ideology and you think it's somehow their fault. No. You're just in the minority. It's that simple.

TheRedneck

That seems to be assuming that ATS is in anyway representative of society as a whole.

I've been around here about 13 yrs and I would feel comfortable in saying that ATS is fairly representative of society in general. A large portion of the members here are intellectually sound, have varied interest and part of the voting populace.

a reply to: Silure

Oh no problem posting it at all.

More of us should point out hypocrites who want to insult others and the pout when they get insulted in return.

Here is another goodie from that thread

Hey if you want to be a troll, more power to you

My initial point in this thread is remember, when you change your mind again like before and start writing threads about how trump supporters should stop making insults and how we need to all stop insulting each other

Don’t act dismayed when just like last time people point out your hypocrisy as you are one of the worst offenders

So hypocritical, so predictable