Miss Michigan won't wear a hijab lost her crown

a reply to: operation mindcrime

So now you are comparing refusal to don a religious article to child porn?

Just sayin' ...

a reply to: ketsuko

Not comparing just giving an example of how a brand ambassador can damage your company or organisation.

The refusal of wearing a hijab is somewhat dodgy as their is no evidence accept for the story of the former miss and a tweet that got deleted (???)

But her crown was taken away for this tweet:

"So you're telling me that it's now just a fashion accessory and not a religious thing? Or are you just trying to get women used to being oppressed under Islam?"

Again...nothing wrong with that opinion but if MWA is for instance connected or tolerant of WHD than her opinion is in direct conflict.

It seems more like she is crying about her title being stripped and is now making more out of it then a dumb act on her part.

But if you have it, I would love to see the report,tweet or whatever regarding her being forced to wear a hijab.

Peace

Evidence that the Left now controls beauty pageants and the Left is Totalitarian.
Second line.

Was she stripped of her crown or did she hand it in?

I thought reading the text messages between her and her handler she was the one who said "I'm coming over to hand back my prizes" due to the person being passive aggressive and beating around the bush and it frustrating her.

I admit I could be wrong as I tend to only use a small percentage of my brain when I read about these things, but there is a difference between being sacked and quitting.
(I'm trying to experience life as a normal human and having a try at selectively reading to make all things suit me and my world view.)

Oh well Beauty Pageants are a joke. Being in the eye of the beholder and all that. Buying a Penthouse seems time better spent if you want to appreciate the female form and want a list of answers about what said female "Thinks" about things and what she likes and dislikes.

a reply to: operation mindcrime

Try a "try no hijab booth" in a Muslim dominated country and see how far it gets you. And this is exactly why the alarm bells ring because it is not a secret how this culture is spreading.

Everyone should be totally fine to not want to try that out. Is this how far it has come? Oh my, only a few months left and I will see this in my own country..

The booth, I could not care less, the fact that someone has to defend her or himself for not wanting to do that, is what blows my mind. I should be more used to it by now though.

a reply to: operation mindcrime


You know what s funny? If it was a "Try on a hooded with robe with a cross on it" and she made the same issue, she would have been hailed as an outspoken member of society, and cheered on to bring attention to the racist nature of it.

a reply to: Oleandra88

I see you only read the title of the thread..

It explains the ignorant reply.

Peace

originally posted by: Guyfriday
a reply to: operation mindcrime


You know what s funny? If it was a "Try on a hooded with robe with a cross on it" and she made the same issue, she would have been hailed as an outspoken member of society, and cheered on to bring attention to the racist nature of it.

I assume with the hooded robe and cross you are refering to the KKK?

And now you want to draw a parallel between that and World Hijab Day, an initiative to foster religious tolerance and understanding by inviting women (non-Hijabi Muslims/non-Muslims) to experience the hijab for one day......

It's actually really sad that somebody has to explain to you that failing to see the difference is exactly the reason why she lost her crown.

But there you go and now you know.

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

I agree a try a hijab day is different to try racism day.

Okay, what about if it was International Nerd Day and it was a try on a BatMan cowl and experience what it's like to be in the shoes (well mask) of a cosplaying fanboy and she refused because she disagrees with or dislikes "geek culture".

I doubt we'd see anyone complaining about her being bigoted towards an entire group of people, despite it being exactly the same thing.

What do you think?

I think it is funny in a very sad way how we can be selectively critical in this day and age of enlightenment, tolerance and equality myself.

a reply to: operation mindcrime


Not really. I could be pointing to a Knights Templar robe, but since you made the same parallel as the average person, you can see how "wearing a hijab day" could be viewed in the same light.

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

But that's the whole thing...where is she forced to wear one?

After she tweeded:

"There is a 'try a hijab on' booth at my college campus. So you're telling me that it's now just a fashion accessory and not a religious thing? Or are you just trying to get women used to being oppressed under Islam?" 

And got trouble with MWA she came with the story that she was forced to put one on and earlier tweets of her had been deleted....??

Seems doggy at best.

Peace

originally posted by: Guyfriday
a reply to: operation mindcrime


Not really. I could be pointing to a Knights Templar robe, but since you made the same parallel as the average person, you can see how "wearing a hijab day" could be viewed in the same light.

Just let it go dude...you're not going to win an argument with these kind of deflections.

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

I never said she was forced to do anything. Not even implied it.

So what has that answer got to do with my questions in the last post?

Actually not sure which post you're replying to because I don't see a connection between either and your response sorry.

All I am right now is confused. But that might just be from my old friend insomnia and lack of sleep over the last few days.

a reply to: Guyfriday

yeeeeah, because people would get triggered by Assassins Creed cosplay......

C'mon buddy, you know what you meant. Trying to convince anyone otherwise is just deluding yourself.

We should always own what we say otherwise the words should never leave our mouths. Or in this case fingers.

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

Yeah sorry about that...I assumed you implied with:

" if it was International Nerd Day and it was a try on a BatMan cowl and experience what it's like to be in the shoes (well mask) of a cosplaying fanboy and she refused because she disagrees with or dislikes "geek culture"

That you went along with the title and premise of this thread.

From what I gather she disagreed with something and tweeted about it. I never got the part where she was forced something or where she refused something.

She is a representative and should have thought before she tweeted.

Peace

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo


isn't that the issue though. I know what I meant which is exactly why I said it the way that I did. My point though was that some of the people behind this issue also know what they are doing too, and just like my post, they aren't being low key about it either. It's like getting in to an argument and the other person says; "Do you think black lives matter?". it's a double edged question that no matter how it's answered it gets pushed against you. This hijab issue is the same thing. Want to wear it, well then I guess you support oppression against women. Don't want to wear it, well then I guess you're Islamophobic.

At an event like the one at the college, put it on and get tagged as being complacent, don't pot it on, and get noted as being a possible issue for any future push for their religion. It's not just a Islamic thing, other religions use similar tactics too. Answer the door for LDS missionaries, and you might as well be opening the door to them every time. same with other groups too. These "Gateway" activities are used to see who's for what, and who's open to things. This issue was a dead end for her.

a reply to: Guyfriday

a reply to: operation mindcrime

Thank you both for further clarifying.

a reply to: operation mindcrime
"I see you only read the title of the thread."

No, I was directly making a reply to your post, that is very obvious because of the "reply to" that is above my message. The way you replied explains that you did not read my post you skimmed over it.

It explains your reply.

But let us stop the butthurt for a second, maybe you want to come down from your high horse to read this careful:

I rephrase it for you, the sense of my message. You wrote, although to another member, "explain the alarm bells".
The alarm bells: It is just as radical to try to force people to do that(trying that booth) via guilt or social pressure as it is to force women to wear a hijab. Because it is the very same mechanism that is used to keep that status quo alive in the countries that enforce this rule because of "group think" and social/religious pressure.

In religious dominated countries, social and religious pressure is on the same vector because in those countries, social life is an intrinsic property of the religous ruled lifestyle.

I am eager to read your answer.

Ignorantly Yours,
Oleandraflower88

a reply to: Oleandra88

Yeehaah...let me get of this high horse for a second....

Okay miss smartypants, if I had a super delicious new smoothy and I put up a stand with free samples so that people may taste it. Am I forcing people to try my smoothy? No, I'm inviting people to try my smoothy.

Now suppose somebody really hates smoothies and without trying one decides that she is going to voice her opinion on twitter...nothing wrong with that, freedom of speech and all.

But what if my smoothy company sponsors an organisation that is endorsing this somebody in one way or another....conflict of interest.

This part of the story shouldn't be very hard to follow.

Now for your objection to the hijab, you only have a point if each and every woman wearing a hijab is either socially or by guilt forced to wear one.

This is simply not true!!!

Millions of women wear a hijab out of free choice and the fact that it is used as a symbol has no bearing on the actual use of this particulr garment.

If that were the case women wouldn't be wearing bra's since the '70's because they too were at one point a symbol of oppression.

Now I invite you to proof to me that every woman on this planet is wearing a hijab out fear or guilt....

Is it okay if I get back on my horse while I wait?

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

You rounded off your childish answer with the impossible proof request that you set up a few sentences before. The part where you -by the way very intelligently hidden- the put the "all women who wear hijabs are forced" into my mouth.

You seem to focus to much on all the other stuff when I am not really arguing her behavior, I specific pointed out to you what I wrote in my last message and why. Remember the alarm bells thing?

If you need a statement from me, yes her behavior is #ty. But that is not my point!




edited: the intelligently hidden part was not sarcastic by the way.