Dear Liberals, You Are Now Right Wing... Maybe Even Extreme Right Wing

a reply to: JustJohnny

What's really funny is the first definition you posted in no way reflects what the Encyclopedia Britannica says...

You must have parsed it with your SJW lens, I guess.

Exactly and trump has made the conservatives Democrats from the 80's.

Deficit don and his protectionist European economic policy.

a reply to: Lumenari

Of course the terms change. At the whim of conservative thinkers. Liberalism in it's true sense is more left leaning compared to conservative thinking.

See how many times the "left" has been relabeled and honed down to basically become something else? Two years ago liberals were on thevchopping block, a year ago it was the left, now its progressives . Makes you think, and liberals are safe again.

a reply to: strongfp

Here, let me help you understand where the Progressive movement came from...

Progressive Era Wiki

See how many of these ideals fit in the current Democratic Party.

a reply to: Lumenari

Republicans used to be for less government that ended with neoconservatives starting around Nixon era.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

Of course the terms change. At the whim of conservative thinkers. Liberalism in it's true sense is more left leaning compared to conservative thinking.

See how many times the "left" has been relabeled and honed down to basically become something else? Two years ago liberals were on thevchopping block, a year ago it was the left, now its progressives . Makes you think, and liberals are safe again.

You are of course not only completely missing the point, but you are attempting to cast conservatism in a bad light when in fact it is Progressives that have changed the terms to fit their goals.

You should probably read my other post to you before responding... It's not like Progressives appeared magically last year.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Lumenari

Republicans used to be for less government that ended with neoconservatives starting around Nixon era.

Exactly... the neocons run out of the Democratic party by Progressives that took it over resettled into the Republican party.

Which Progressives started taking over next...

The biggest enemy of a Progressive is small government and state's rights.

Realize that, then you don't have to worry about if they have a D or an R behind their name.

Both conservatives AND liberals are not for bigger government, simply because the bigger the government, the less freedom it's citizenry have.

The terms have deliberately become confused because if Progressives just come out and say what they really want they wouldn't ever be put into a position of real power.

I say that, but since they've run the Department of Education since 1974 that isn't exactly true anymore, is it?

33% of Americans view socialism favorably, for instance.

a reply to: Dfairlite

I always thought that i was a left leaning libratarian socialist.

Now Trump is in power I'm apparently a Nazi.

My politics haven't changed, but the definition of what it means to be "far right" has become so broad that simply being white makes you a white supremisist

a reply to: AaarghZombies

And yet I've been called a Commie for being left wing. Go figure.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Dfairlite

I always thought that i was a left leaning libratarian socialist.

Now Trump is in power I'm apparently a Nazi.

My politics haven't changed, but the definition of what it means to be "far right" has become so broad that simply being white makes you a white supremisist

Don't feel bad... I'm a fiscal conservative, social liberal.

So I'm either a white supremacist or a communist depending on the topic...

Although yes, in Trump world I'm an alt-right extremest too.



ETA.... I'm also a white supremacist Cherokee woman.

I'm still trying to figure that one out.

a reply to: Lumenari

I find it alarming that the news media is throwing terms like "far right" around so freely. Anybody who isn't firmly on the left gets called far right these days.

If you listen to European news stations they constantly talk about the "far right" but when you look at the people who get called this many of them are so socialist that they make Hillary Clinton look like George Bush.

Simply talking about sensible immigration controls is enough to get you called Far Right. If Carl Marx were to rise from the dead and say that we should tighten up border controls to prevent drug dealers from crossing, he'd be called far right.

I'm a socialist, its not popular, but it's what I am. So how can I be far right when I make Bernie Sanders look right wing?

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Simply talking about sensible immigration controls is enough to get you called Far Right. If Carl Marx were to rise from the dead and say that we should tighten up border controls to prevent drug dealers from crossing, he'd be called far right.

Did you even read Marx? Tell me, how old is this War on Drugs exactly?



Our usual morons are at it again, again! Nothing starts the day like conflating the mitigation of violence with actual violence while ignoring the fact, that psychological harm is often inflicted with... wait for it... words!

Zuby me that, Twatterpearls?

a reply to: Lumenari

When I get to a computer I'll go 8nto more detail.

The labels arent what I was getting at. It just sort of turned into that sort of conversation.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Lumenari

Republicans used to be for less government that ended with neoconservatives starting around Nixon era.

Exactly... the neocons run out of the Democratic party by Progressives that took it over resettled into the Republican party.

Which Progressives started taking over next...

The biggest enemy of a Progressive is small government and state's rights.

Realize that, then you don't have to worry about if they have a D or an R behind their name.

Both conservatives AND liberals are not for bigger government, simply because the bigger the government, the less freedom it's citizenry have.

The terms have deliberately become confused because if Progressives just come out and say what they really want they wouldn't ever be put into a position of real power.

I say that, but since they've run the Department of Education since 1974 that isn't exactly true anymore, is it?

33% of Americans view socialism favorably, for instance.

The issue with socialism appeal is many fold do to the dismantling of limited government views in Congress.

The young feel robbed and rightly so. We have trillion dollar yearly national deficits. We have the FDA screwing people by being big pharma reps basically. Making healthcare so much worse than people seem to understand. Big business and MIC welfare on and on....

So its easy to create a logical "I want my share of all these robber barons get theirs" arguement

Conservatives are so busy fighting the lunatics on the far left they aren't cleaning their own shops and the party has been completely taken over by neocons.

Which is fine at the local level. It just has no place in the federal government. People should know better than to make government bigger.

That being said too much is made of ideology like socialism capitalism..etc. the real market and social evolution doesnt care about political narratives. We need to be able to move forward as we travel through time without dividing people by social idealism that doesn't even exist in reality.

I would say the only truth we need to make absolute is decentralized democracy should be the end goal. Obviously we should be beyond banning people for their thoughts, politics, sexuality, gender, etc when creating rules of engagement in public but the ideal of decentralized democracy is a good basic premise. Doesn't have to be extreme just not too far from it

a reply to: Lumenari

I do not think you have the correct definition of progressive either lol...



www.britannica.com...

a reply to: Lumenari

Oh yes it does..

I just put it in a nutshell...


Left = labor/peasants/those outside of the old guard aristocracy, which in America is the robber barons and CEOs..

Basically the people wanting to make changes...

Right= the establishment, the old school power bad, the monarchy, wealthy and powerful, those wanting to maintain tradition...

The establishment ALWAYS pays off/propagandized enough of the peasants to back them, to hold the rest at bay is all

a reply to: Lumenari

Oh yes it does..

I just put it in a nutshell...


Left = labor/peasants/those outside of the old guard aristocracy, which in America is the robber barons and CEOs..

Basically the people wanting to make changes...

Right= the establishment, the old school power bad, the monarchy, wealthy and powerful, those wanting to maintain tradition...

The establishment ALWAYS pays off/propagandized enough of the peasants to back them, to hold the rest at bay is all

a reply to: Dfairlite

Anyone who uses the term "Liberal" today is totally out of touch. There are no liberals. There are libertarians, right and left, and then there are the fascist Progressive/Leftist Cultural Marxists like the "Squad". People who call themselves "Liberals" are phonies trying to occupy some moral high ground as they virtue signal with labels.

a reply to: Dfairlite

sorry but my world/political views are not determined by some rapper i've never even heard of...i'll stick to definitions from encyclopedia's and dictionaries.

Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty.

www.britannica.com...

forward this link to Zuby Zoobaleezoo!

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: Lumenari

Oh yes it does..

I just put it in a nutshell...


Left = labor/peasants/those outside of the old guard aristocracy, which in America is the robber barons and CEOs..

Basically the people wanting to make changes...

Right= the establishment, the old school power bad, the monarchy, wealthy and powerful, those wanting to maintain tradition...

The establishment ALWAYS pays off/propagandized enough of the peasants to back them, to hold the rest at bay is all

I'm sorry.. I was in other threads and had already dismissed you because you are a partisan hack.