Boris Jonson Elected as New Prime Minister of The UK.

a reply to: Silure

"Dude he was dead anyway ffs."

And you don't think having his ESA payments stopped possibly contributed to his demise?

The Tories and DWP helped kill that fellow and many, many others just like him.

We get free prescriptions up here anyway far as im lead to believe.

LIfe is crap for some people, that a given, circumstance can be a bitch that way.

However, where have i said my life is crap?

Nowhere here.

I get by, my kids get by, life, not crap but it could be a whole lot better, and I'm not just talking about money but the quality of such in general.

Don't make daft assumptions and you canny be a prick i suppose.

I'm not depressing that's politics, Boris, and most likely his poor Mrs that depressed. LoL

originally posted by: andy06shake


2 World Wars were fought to unite Europe which failed to one degree or another, millions of people dead on all sides.

Thats got to be a first ...... declaring war to unite!!

We came together anyway for other reasons and down to political and socio-economic circumstance.

Won WW111 without a shot having been fired....drawn in and taken over ......

seems there's more than one way to achieve ones goal and extorting

revenue too ....

a reply to: eletheia

"Thats got to be a first ...... declaring war to unite!!"

Where, when??? LoL

Was it not more like simple economic gain that brought about the EU?

Just wait and see what Boris and Trump bring you in the third world war department.

Never know, you might just get Iran fo Xmas.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

"Thats got to be a first ...... declaring war to unite!!"

Where, when??? LoL

Quoted off your post

a reply to: andy06shake

Who are these starving people then? Most I know who use food banks milk it, not really like children starving skint, but a bonus, they are like the new payday loan places just you don't have to pay it back.
I don't think you really know # all about the real world of poverty at all, only been a spectator.
There are piss poor, on their arse poor, and those who see a good earner.

Maybe you've been in a professional game dealing with clients, even then you are blind because you don't know how much bull# you believed. They had to lie to you, you would be establishment and straight people pigeonholed.

But I don't think you truly know the real world, just a guy moaning while watching the news on TV, no true idea of how things roll.
Either that or Scotland must be really crap? Could I live on 68 quid a week in your apparent badlands? Sounds awful mate, strange though, we have the same minimum wage and prices at supermarkets.

a reply to: eletheia

So just general mince from you and nowhere?

a reply to: Silure

We are all just guys moaning.

Don't even watch TV any longer nevermind the NEWS, at least not in the conventional sense.

As to my knowledge of the world, I've seen some things, done some stuff, nothing of particular to claim fame. LoL

I ken enough to know not to make assumptions.

Think what you will about me, your apt to be wrong with that attitude all the same. LoL

Still not showing where have i said my life is crap?

As to who are these starving people are, look out a window in any major town or city, there are 320,000 of them, your apt to spot one or two.

Know the real world???

I fecking should, after all i do live there!

Does Boris live there also?

I imagine you could live anywhere you choose but not on £68 quid a week, that a given, now you sound like one of those daft politicians mate, chill out ffs. LoL

a reply to: andy06shake
Oh such a drama queen ffs, my 68 quid a week will travel with me if I ever leave town, prob next summer to be honest, get my disabled bus pass, can carry 35kg pack and get a mile from the last bus stop in half a day for sure. I'll even save money eating rations and camping on beaches, ffs life in Britain is #ing brilliant even skint. I've experienced the whole cross section of the socio economic spectrum, but you are a Debbie Downer, sorry like, but we're a bit more positive in my tribe...from millionaires to piss poor who died of heroin addiction.
I don't believe you've ever immersed yourself in that world, just a feckin spectator, sorry like, but its how I see it mate.

a reply to: Silure

Well, i do know plenty of poor sods who have died down to addiction, unfortunately.

I don't really care what you believe, nor what you say you have experienced. x

I'm not the muppet bumping his gums about not being able to walk right nether, whilst questioning or blatantly failing to acknowledge the DWP part in the demise of the likes of Mr Smith with your "he would have died anyway" bullcrap.

Good luck with your £68 quid pal, lets hope the gooberment dont come along and take it away.

Or you might just find out who these poor hungry people are first hand.

We are all spectators of a sorts, until we are not, and it happens to you.

And stop dodging questions, where have i said my life is crap?

Or do you simply just say things without any proof?

That's the problem with assuming things you see.

a reply to: andy06shake

Wow you really are a Debbie Downer Pmsl! 😂
My 68 quid a week ain't inflation index linked lol, it's way enough to sit here typing this on my second hand tablet with a full belly though..
You need care not about any of my thoughts, but sorry dude, I don't think you have a clue about the real piss poor people who play the system we have.
No idea at all, just what the news tells you, or people you know in real life but lie to you because They see you as 'the man' or someone not to pass sub culture security 😂
No hard feelings. You'll never convince me.

a reply to: Silure

"Debbie Downer" LoL

You have got to be the ghost of the late Stan Lee with the likes of that.

Smashing.

I don't think you have a clue as to the rich fecking twats running the show from behind the curtain.

I ken plenty of poor people, grew up in housing schemes, and dont live that far away from them the now.

I should think i am a Man being 44 years old, you, however, i assume may be stuck in your parent's basement with your £68 quid. LoL

No hard feeling indeed, or i should hope not little bit. LoL

As to convince you, i dont believe I'm trying to convince you of anything, sounds like your mad assumptions at play again.

Convince you. LoL

Why ffs???

What would be the point, you don't even believe in poor people, apparently because you dont see them.

Anyhoo, night night, 2am and all that jazz.

a reply to: andy06shake

Gosh, I'm older than you.
Not really surprised though 👍
You're view is clearly neutered victimhood and not really in the tribe, but when you stop being bewitched by the jewels of government, one day, maybe, people will stop bull#ting you because they se you as on top, working for the man.
...too scared to chase a truly independent Scotland on an adventure with us ...smfh 😞

a reply to: Silure

I’ll give you an example of someone I know who was in poverty. He’s 20 and receiving Universal Credit. There’s no parental support available, both parents are dead. He was in a homeless unit. Rent was covered by Housing Benefit.

He was entitled to £251 pcm for himself plus a contribution towards his rent. The £251 was docked by £42 pcm because he received two UC advances. There was a further deduction of £78 pcm because Housing Benefit didn’t fully cover the homeless unit charges.

That left him with £131 pcm to feed and clothe himself, equiv to £30 each week. From that he’d also to pay his fares to attend the Job Centre, to attend job interviews, to attend back to work sessions and to pay for his mobile phone, not a luxury but absolutely vital to log into his UC account and to carry out his searches for work.

Last month, he didn’t have the money to pay for the bus fare to attend a job centre interview. His job centre is 9 miles from where the homeless unit is, the more local Job Centre having closed down last year.

He did the right thing. He phoned them to let them know. They said that was OK and that they’d put a new appointment onto his account. But they didn’t. Instead they marked him as fail to attend and closed his claim. He didn’t know about this for 9 days. You see, not only didn’t he have his bus fare, he didn’t have the money to top up his phone to log into his account either.

That cost him 9 days personal money, an absolute killer. That’s bad enough. But it also lost him 9 days Housing Benefit for his rent for the homeless unit. So he was then £460 in arrears with his rent for them too, with no way whatsoever to pay it. They were on his case to get it paid.

Me, family friend from way back, I happened to meet him when I was out walking the mutt. We’d played kick about when he was a kid, a neighbours boy, he was at school with my nephew. I lost touch with him when he started secondary school, typical teenager.

He’s average height I guess, 5’8” maybe, 5’9”. He’d always been round faced, not a fat boy, just acceptably upholstered. And there he was sitting on a park bench, now seven stone nothing, a rake of a boy, so drawn and haunted in his eyes.

I knew there was something wrong just by looking at him. But it was more than that. I’m just an old fud, right, I know my place in this world. But here he was this youngster talking away, overly friendly, overly chatty with a smile on his face. But it was his eyes, man, just his eyes, slightly teary, so much pain in them yet he was making out like all was good. I knew something was terribly wrong.

He asked where I was going, I said back home to drop the dog back, then to Tesco. He asked if he could come with me, no problems says I.

He was chatty as we walked. Talking about Rangers, Celtic, football in general. We got to Tesco and I went to the ATM and lifted £100 to give him. I knew he must have money worries just looking at him, although he himself at that point hadn’t mentioned any of the financial problems above. I gave him the cash, he looked astonished, making out as if he didn’t need it, that he couldn’t take it.

As you enter Tesco, there’s a sandwich bar at the front door. He asked if it was Ok if he could buy something, your money Son, I said. He picked up a huge, family sized tub of pasta salad, paid for it and asked if I minded if he had a little bit of it there n then. So we went back outside and I swear to God, the boy demolished that whole tub within 5 minutes. It could’ve fed an army, too.

We went back into the supermarket, i bought my bits n bobs, he bought a couple of tins of soup, tea bags and some milk. He didn’t need much, he said. He asked if he could walk me home. His mood noticeably improved as we walked along. He must’ve wanted to return to the supermarket as soon as he could, without me so that he could buy food without anyone knowing how desperate his plight was, but no he walked me home.

Brave face on him. But he was anxious. Physically and mentally deteriorating. And alone. Yet so dignified in the way he carried himself, thoughtful, polite, trying so hard to be cheerful but failing to quite hold it together.

He disclosed all his issues to me, well, to the missus really. Bit tearful, big hugs. He’d tried for a food bank but you need referred to get one. And the woman at the council who dealt with that had been off.

We logged into his UC account, I read his online payment statement, disgusted at how little he was left with, with so much being deducted. We followed the online instructions and submitted a “mandatory reconsideration”, asking that they look at the missed appointment and explaining why he hadn’t attended. I thought it would take a week or two for them to look at it. I worded it so well. It couldn’t fail. We asked for the advance repayments to be deferred for 3 months.

It was during cuppa tea number 2 or 3 that his phone pinged with a text, asking him to log into his UC account. They’d made a decision, only 14 minutes after we’d submitted it. A straight refusal to pay him the 9 missing days. His reasons for not attending weren’t good enough, that plus he was late in applying for the reconsideration.
No mention that they misinformed him whatever. And they hadn’t even considered the deferral request (still haven’t, btw).

Now, I don’t quite know where I’m going with this, if only to say this is the reality of claiming Universal Credit and benefits in general. You’re just a number. No one actually cares. Nobody gives one flying fook. It’s because of situations like this that the use of food banks has exploded because there is literally nothing else available. There’s so little help for guys like him. It’s an absolute tragedy.

Help that should be there, money advice, housing advice, specialist advice for younger people ... it’s just not there. And if it is, there’s long waiting times to get an appointment to be seen, so long that people just give up.

I want a better future for boys like him. It doesn’t have to be like this. There must be a better way to do these things, it’s not joined up at all, he’s just one of the many who have fallen foul of “the system”.

His situation now ? The intervention of his MSP got him his own flat. The council had “lost” his housing application form, you see. Housing Benefit has paid the missing 9 days rent money on the grounds that he had zero income. An appeal has been submitted to DWP but the wait for that is over a year before it will be heard. Friends have rallied round and provided him with the things he needs for his flat, mainly second hand but it’s all his, no more debt. And he’s starting university in September. We’re in regular contact with him, the missus has basically adopted him and he’s a regular at Sunday dinner. He’s putting weight on again, back to playing football and a lot happier. A good outcome but it could’ve been so, so different.

That’s the reality, matey, that’s the reality.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast

Yeah stories I know well enough. Hardly starving to death though mate, I've been plenty nations in the world and know we don't have the same definition of poverty.
I've slept rough in my life and wasted 1000 quid bottles of champagne in private booths in clubs.
Sorry, you sound defeatist like the other chap Andy I think, but may be crossing threads in me 'ead lol, but really, you do.

Life is amazing here and especially if you are fit. I'm only screwed at the moment while finding my new earner in my new reality. Nobody wipes my arse (yet lol), but you sound like our lives are like the crap ones people have in parts of the world which get bombed by British arms most weeks.
Sorry like, but drama queen defeatism and news doom is all it sounds like to me.
You are just a spectator like the other guy, no disrespect, but you don't have a clue because you are like the man lol, of course every blag has to come out to you as if fact, that's the game, and you don't even know it is played every day around you.

Show me these hundreds thousands starving people and I'll show you a sub culture you think you know about, but don't, anywhere in the UK...starving be #ed drama queens and lies to play the system.
I wouldn't grass anyone up either, it is what it is, but don't tell me its like the 3rd world or you have never travelled or really been skint.
😂

a reply to: Silure

Former contributor CornishCeltGuy had very similar opinions to you.
Haven't seen him around for a while. Odd, that, he was never shy in coming forward either.

It's not defeatist to point out the failings in the benefit system, is it ? It's only by highlighting those deficiencies to those in power that anything will ever be done to improve the situation. It's not news doom either, it was a personal testimony showing that the system is letting claimants down.

Btw spectators just watch : instead we acted and did something. Just a FYI. Duh.

And I don't have a clue ?
I rather think the detail I went into demonstrates I'm rather well versed, thank you very much.

I don't think I mentioned hundreds of thousands of starving people, did I ? I would hope the UK doesn't have starving people, if you define such people as going without food to the point of death. I didn't mention the Third World either. So don't put words into my mouth.

But there are thousands of people in the UK who have had to rely on food banks to prevent themselves going hungry. The stats prove that. Now, we can only go on what those people tell the Food Banks. But benefit related problems are a major contributor to food bank usage, of that there's no dispute, well, apart from you.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast

Okay fella, we'll just have to agree to disagree 👍
You have your own experiences and opinion as do I. You both must live in a different Britain to me, got about 3 quid on the electric to last til Friday, and 20 quid spare until then as well, saving it so I can have a couple of pints when some mates arrive from out of town at the weekend. Life skint here is way overplayed as a card in the game, another member Ethelia I think is the name, said poverty is a mindset for many people, and I think that as well.
But you and Andy must live in awful part of this island if things are as bad as made out.
We'll have to disagree, now to turn my fridge freezer off for a few hours to safe electric 😛 Life being skint and so terrible of course, will go chill in the park with a book later, imagine that, so skint I get books from the free library to take my mind off my wretched life 😱

Edit, knew I'd seen someone else being questioned in this very thread about being the Cornish guy lmao, here go www.abovetopsecret.com...
I'm aware of the former member been reading here for years, must have made some impact on you guys 😂


Edit, scrolling back there's this as well, is it like anyone who disagrees with a Scottish person must be a banned account, or shill, or whatever conspiracy thing you all thinking??? www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Silure
a reply to: TheShippingForecast



Edit, scrolling back there's this as well, is it like anyone who disagrees with a Scottish person must be a banned account, or shill, or whatever conspiracy thing you all thinking??? www.abovetopsecret.com...

Well for good reason there was a member on here who was a bigot , and raised thread after thread with no other reason than to bait Scots members and slag them off and be a general bigot towards Scots. He was subsequently banned for his behaviour then kept coming back for more and getting banned again .

It was just quite coincidental a new member I hadnt seen on these UK threads , slagging scottish folk , I just think oh its oor wee bigot pal again with a new disguise !

a reply to: Silure

me and my girlfriend havent got a penny to our names accept whats in the piggy bank

until pay day wednesday or thursday
but we have some stuff in the house to feed us of course

as long as you dont go buying #e you dont actually need then you can make ends meet, only thing is , its different when you have children to feed , we dont !

SO we are lucky , I can only imagine the families on welfare and food banks, then the homeless folk I speak to every day at my girlfriends work , they have # all , and are getting beat up daily by criminal gangs forcing them to work to sell drugs .
Thats just glasgow , extrapolate to the rest of the world , and it gets worse

I feel most times I have nothing , no wealth no fame etc
not that one needs those things, I am rich , I have love , I have my dogs, and my family.

We forget just how #in good we have it .

how #ed up is the world that we can be born into a country as if by lottery and that GPS location means life or death !

anyway as I see it , out with the EU , Scotland becomes independent, we all ditch westminster, England forms a new government , which is free from monarchy and elite lords and Eaton

all governments are fully devolved .

We enter into a new golden age of civilisation and we all live happily ever after

a reply to: TheShippingForecast

Wrong on every count.

I'm not the only one person who mentions independence for The Northern Isles, far from it.
And even if I was it's still no less a valid point; many people from both The Shetlands and Orkney's feel as alienated from Holyrood as they do from Westminster.
And that feeling is growing.
If that support grew to such an extent that they were in the majority do you honestly think Scotland would grant them a vote on independence?

I have no desire to impoverish any fledgling independent Scotland.
But any separation of a Union as deep and entrenched as ours would be complicated - unless of course Scotland chose to go No Deal? - and not everything would be favourable to Scotland, there would be a cost.

Many Nats seem to think an independent Scotland would be some romantic land of milk and honey.
It wouldn't.
There'd still be social injustice and inequality and the elites would still be screwing the ordinary guy over.
Sure, you probably will make a good go of it in the long run - the Scots are notoriously resourceful - but there'd be some dark days and tough times to negotiate first.

If you'd been around in the IndyRef days maybe you'd know my views on Scotland.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast

Heart breaking story about the 20 year old lad.....and unfortunately an all too common one.
But I think its also a bit inspiring and shows what community can do for each other.

I firmly believe there is an agenda to take us back to a Victorian like society along with all its social injustices and inequalities.
Far too many people are completely oblivious to this and many are actually hoodwinked into serving that agenda.

Saying that this country isn't as bad as other countries is looking at things arse first - its appalling that the social divide is so great and that people accept others misfortune with such casual disdain, or even contribute to it in some small way.

I certainly can't see things improving much under Boris.