Bernie Sanders is a Capitalist at Heart!

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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: MRinder

originally posted by: pexx421
Bernie isn’t socialist. None of his proposed policies are socialist. The countries he wants to emulate are not socialist. The problem is the US has reframed anything that benefits the people as “socialism” so he had to take back the term just to convince the people to vote in their own interest, rather than corporate interest that has been indoctrinated into mainstream thought. Secondly, he isn’t running a business, he’s running a campaign. They don’t create or earn money, and shouldn’t be held to the same standards as a company. Lastly his policies don’t have to worry about “running out of other people’s money” for two reasons. First, and foremost is that under those policies people would have plenty of their own money. Secondly, the us can, and does, simply print whatever money is needed. They do it now, they’ve done it for 200 years. We printed out trillions to bail out the banks. We print trillions for banks to loan out to inflate housing and create banking profits. Honestly, if they had just printed out those trillions, and given them to the homeowners instead of the banks, all the homes would have been paid off, the banks would have been instantly made whole of all their junk mortgages, and the economy would have been doing far better than it is as people would have massive surplus to spend on goods. But in our current system it’s only ok to print money that helps corporate profit, not that helps people.

LOL, you should run for the Democratic nomination to run for President. You would definitely win. Let's just cut to the chase and let us print our own money and people can have everything they dream of. LMFAO!

Seriously, that’s what we already do. That’s why the banks are so rich they control society.

Well damn it, do you mean to tell me that i could have been printing my own money all this time and nobody told me? Well now I know what to do. I am going to call in sick and start printing some money. You want me to send you some? Heck, I will even splurge on the postage.

Not you. You’re one of the working poor. But yes, the federal reserve is constantly creating new money. Most of which they don’t actually print. Hell, I’m wrong. When you got your mortgage (I’m assuming you have a mortgage) you created 90% of the cost of your mortgage out of thin air. Congrats! Just that money was not created for you, but close enough.

a reply to: ketsuko

Same pay total for less hours of work? Sign me up, how is that a bad thing?

originally posted by: pexx421
Not you. You’re one of the working poor. But yes, the federal reserve is constantly creating new money. Most of which they don’t actually print. Hell, I’m wrong. When you got your mortgage (I’m assuming you have a mortgage) you created 90% of the cost of your mortgage out of thin air. Congrats! Just that money was not created for you, but close enough.

Aww shucks! I guess on the bright side we can just have the government print up a crap load of extra money and we can all get whatever we want or need. Who can i vote for that will buy more printing presses and get to growing more trees around here?

Maybe that should be your platform. I will vote for you or even be your campaign manager. Just think of the possibilities. We can run on Double Green platform. More trees to help capture the carbon and more trees to print money on. It's win-win baby! We can't loose.

a reply to: MRinder

I know! We could all be millionaires like they are in Zimbabwe. Can't you tell Zimbabwe has the wealthiest people on the planet? For years, we all thought first world nations had the highest standard of living, but over there, they're all so rich that the smallest monetary notes have more zeroes than a Benjamin.

a reply to: Puppylove

If you were demanding the higher level of pay because what you were making when working full-time wasn't enough which is why they demand $15, then more pay for less hours still won't be enough because it's the same. You'll have to take on a second job to make ends meet. Then we get to hear all the whining about how you work two jobs and because neither of them is full-time, you have no benefits with either.

a reply to: ketsuko

I already have no benefits, can't afford them. So at least I'd gain some free time. Then again, if I did get a second job in that instance, I'd be working the same hours I am now, and be making enough to afford my own benefits.

I don’t get it. Are y’all saying you don’t think the govt is constantly printing money?

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: ketsuko

I already have no benefits, can't afford them. So at least I'd gain some free time. Then again, if I did get a second job in that instance, I'd be working the same hours I am now, and be making enough to afford my own benefits.

May i ask why don't you just find two jobs so you can do that since you say you are working the equivalent of two jobs for one job's pay?

originally posted by: pexx421
I don’t get it. Are y’all saying you don’t think the govt is constantly printing money?

I am pretty sure we all (well most of us anyway) get it. You are right the government is constantly printing money, hence why we are $21 trillion dollars in debt (at least). But that is why our money has so little buying power because the more you print the less it's worth.

a reply to: MRinder

Because the elderly need care, and as much as the pay sucks, and I'm literally burning out rapidly and on the verge of a breakdown, at least I feel like I'm positively effecting the lives of people who need it.

There is already a massive shortage of home health aides, if I quit people suffer, literally.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: MRinder

Because the elderly need care, and as much as the pay sucks, and I'm literally burning out rapidly and on the verge of a breakdown, at least I feel like I'm positively effecting the lives of people who need it.

There is already a massive shortage of home health aides, if I quit people suffer, literally.

Well I must say I respect you. My mother is in a nursing home and they have a hard time getting people to work their that care about the patients. I wish you the best and thanks for your service.

Kinda throws a wrench in the works of Trump claim that Bernie is a socialist now, doesn't it ?

LOL, not really since Bernie runs around everyday saying he is a Socialist.

originally posted by: MRinder

originally posted by: pexx421
I don’t get it. Are y’all saying you don’t think the govt is constantly printing money?

I am pretty sure we all (well most of us anyway) get it. You are right the government is constantly printing money, hence why we are $21 trillion dollars in debt (at least). But that is why our money has so little buying power because the more you print the less it's worth.

Sure, sure. Except wrong. The dollar is weak relative to what? It’s the strongest currency in the world. It loses buying power, lets rephrase that, things cost more. Why do they cost more? Not because the dollar is weak. Companies are charging more for their products and services because they can. It’s that simple. Think the requirements to produce insulin, or epipens just massively increased thousands of times? No. They just bump up the price because they can. If it was supply and demand based or market forces then there wouldn’t be growing inequality.

originally posted by: MRinder
LOL, not really since Bernie runs around everyday saying he is a Socialist.

And the us claims to be capitalist. Doesn’t make it any truer.

a reply to: pexx421

It does, and because it does with nothing of value to back each new dollar printed, every other dollar in existence is worth less.

Shall I explain?

Money was created because barter was inefficient. People used to barter their time, skills, or the product of their labors for the things, skills, labor, etc., they couldn't produce for themselves. With a pure barter system, it almost needs to be a perfect one to one exchange. If I am a scribe, then I need to trade with someone who needs a scribe's skills, and that person needs have exactly what I want.

But what do I do when I can't find what I need that way? It's wrong to say my skills and labor are useless. It's equally wrong to say that the things someone who may need a scribe are offering are useless if I don't exactly need them. So money was created -- say certain shells or disks of stone shaped a certain way. They were used as a common medium of exchange to represent the worth of everyone's goods, services, labor.

That way, I could trade my value as a scribe indirectly for the exact things I needed with the money, and the people using the money could then transfer that value on to others.

When the government prints money, it has nothing of value to back those notes which is why it doesn't just run the presses 24/7. Let's say it is decided that a dollar represents a tomato. Well if the government doesn't make sure there are not as many dollars as tomatoes and are in fact *more* dollars than tomatoes, it isn't true that one dollar represents the value of a tomato, it's actually worth something less than that, and the worse that imbalance gets, the less the value of a dollar gets. And it starts taking more and more dollars for you to actually buy basic goods and services because the people who do produce goods, services, labor know this and price their wares accordingly.

a reply to: MRinder

No , Bernie Sanders is a Communist at Heart . His Ugly Butt is a Misadventure Capitalist who Never Ever Uses his Own Money ........

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: MRinder

originally posted by: pexx421
I don’t get it. Are y’all saying you don’t think the govt is constantly printing money?

I am pretty sure we all (well most of us anyway) get it. You are right the government is constantly printing money, hence why we are $21 trillion dollars in debt (at least). But that is why our money has so little buying power because the more you print the less it's worth.

Sure, sure. Except wrong. The dollar is weak relative to what? It’s the strongest currency in the world. It loses buying power, lets rephrase that, things cost more. Why do they cost more? Not because the dollar is weak. Companies are charging more for their products and services because they can. It’s that simple. Think the requirements to produce insulin, or epipens just massively increased thousands of times? No. They just bump up the price because they can. If it was supply and demand based or market forces then there wouldn’t be growing inequality.

Do you realize that you picked two examples that the people who buy them can't live without them? Do you see a problem with that?