Do Aliens need to be Intelligent

originally posted by: rej33083

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Skyfox81

Is all life outside Earth intelligent, NO.

Is any space faring, Galaxy traveling species highly intelligent? Compared to us, YES.

Aliens are actually very similar to humans, especially when it comes to their sense of humor. Humanity once had the same understanding as their cosmic brothers and sisters before it was lost 13000 years ago. Humanity is preparing to take a quantum leap back to its previous understand before darkness engulfed this civilization. Strange times Indeed...

Ummm, Yeah........

Thanks for proving my point.

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Skyfox81

Is all life outside Earth intelligent, NO.

Is any space faring, Galaxy traveling species highly intelligent? Compared to us, YES.

I don't know that I would make that assumption. We are currently on the cusp of off planet mining, and permanent bases on the moon and mars. We are only a couple of tech breakthroughs away from commonplace travel within the solar system.

Is it that big of a leap that in a few hundred years we could be exploring other star systems in a time frame that makes the idea plausible?

a reply to: pavil

Bless your simple heart and obfuscated perception!

I do not know for I have never met a real alien that I am aware of... Now.... We have all heard that the Aliens communicate telepathically.. If that is so then think about this... Is an ant intelligent; not really...but you take the whole of an ant colony and they are capable of incredible things as they work as one organism with each ant having its own mission in life ...

!4.7 billion odd earth years is a lot of time for another race to advance into something that would blow our earthly socks off IMO.

I am reminded of the islanders of WW2 who saw airplanes and airports constructed and then built their mock-ups to pray to these new sky gods who could fly and brought gifts.. That was only a difference of a few generations of human kind..

It would be nice for me if before I die some of these questions could be definitively answered.

No

Because we don’t understand quantum stuff

For instance, take the Philadelphia Experiment. The story goes, the uS was trying to cloak a war ship and it disappeared. If it went into another demo soon and came out on another planet. That’s not space flight, it would have been an accident, and the sailors personal tech levels would have been amazingly below modern Americans if that happened in another world.

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Skyfox81

Is all life outside Earth intelligent, NO.

Is any space faring, Galaxy traveling species highly intelligent? Compared to us, YES.

I don't know that I would make that assumption. We are currently on the cusp of off planet mining, and permanent bases on the moon and mars. We are only a couple of tech breakthroughs away from commonplace travel within the solar system.

Is it that big of a leap that in a few hundred years we could be exploring other star systems in a time frame that makes the idea plausible?

Even that, compared to a Civilization that travels light years around the Galaxy, are of whole different magnitudes of technology and ability.

originally posted by: Skyfox81
Heres a thought.
(Excluding computer/human hybrids)

Do space traveling aliens need to be more intelligent than humans?

For example humans in 100 year will deff colonize the moon and mars. 1,000 years most likely leaving the solar system.

Could we out smart an alien due to thei 'intelligents solely reliant on technology?

So far, we have discovered no evidence to suggest that sentient extraterrestrial life exists in near space. As such, therefore, we would assume that if sentient extraterrestrial life exists beyond near space (and is not hiding or concealing themselves for whatever reason) and were to travel the vast expanse of space swiftly with advanced modes of transport and survive intact, we would assume that they would have to be intelligent - given that the development of advanced modes of space travel (transportation) would require (super)intelligence.

But, please confirm that you understand sentience and intelligence and the difference/relationship between both?

In conclusion, you question about "outsmarting" extraterrestrial life would basically assume that the extraterrestrial species has managed to travel across a vast region of space (given the lack of evidence of aliens nearby) in a short amount of time - a feat which would require intelligence (given the technology and expertise and know-how and development required to develop, design and produce advanced modes of transport).


EDIT: Do not forget "accidents" too. We humans here on Earth still do not fully understand the cosmos or all that there is to know about the world and the universe. It can be theorised that "accidents" could occur (e.g. "shortcuts" across space etc). "Accidents" do not necessarily required (super-)intelligence.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Skyfox81

Is all life outside Earth intelligent, NO.

Is any space faring, Galaxy traveling species highly intelligent? Compared to us, YES.

I don't know that I would make that assumption. We are currently on the cusp of off planet mining, and permanent bases on the moon and mars. We are only a couple of tech breakthroughs away from commonplace travel within the solar system.

Is it that big of a leap that in a few hundred years we could be exploring other star systems in a time frame that makes the idea plausible?

Even that, compared to a Civilization that travels light years around the Galaxy, are of whole different magnitudes of technology and ability.

Technology, and therefore ability, yes. Innate intelligence though? I don't see a direct corellation.

I'm not implying that humans are some superintelligent life form. We have no real baseline for that type of comparison.

I just think given time, and the irrepressible curiosity of the species, we will solve some of the roadblocks that keep us anchored to this planet.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
We don't have a motive that doesn't come from our basic primitive nature to conquer and plunder and consume.

Yes, we do! And it comes from our basic primitive curiosity to explore and detect and comprehend.

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Skyfox81

Is all life outside Earth intelligent, NO.

Is any space faring, Galaxy traveling species highly intelligent? Compared to us, YES.

I don't know that I would make that assumption. We are currently on the cusp of off planet mining, and permanent bases on the moon and mars. We are only a couple of tech breakthroughs away from commonplace travel within the solar system.

Is it that big of a leap that in a few hundred years we could be exploring other star systems in a time frame that makes the idea plausible?

Even that, compared to a Civilization that travels light years around the Galaxy, are of whole different magnitudes of technology and ability.

Technology, and therefore ability, yes. Innate intelligence though? I don't see a direct corellation.

I'm not implying that humans are some superintelligent life form. We have no real baseline for that type of comparison.

I just think given time, and the irrepressible curiosity of the species, we will solve some of the roadblocks that keep us anchored to this planet.

Travel within the solar system, sure - it is "achievable" (still need to iron out the details about mid-to-long term survivability though).

Travel beyond, however, to other stars? Other regions of space within a lifetime? That is much, much, much harder and difficult to achieve. Test vessels/craft alone will probably take decades to hundreds of years to test (for levels of success etc), let alone actual manned craft. (Imagine the duration of testing the seaworthiness of new state-of-the-art naval destroyers here on planet Earth and then multiply that by decades or even hundreds of years - deep space is a whole different ballgame)

a reply to: Skyfox81

Well..life on earth is still in its foster stage regarding the age of the earth and the universe..
The time humans have been on earth is nothing compared to earth or the universe..
So the chances we find intelligent lift that is in a infant stages is impossible small..
If we could find life the chances are a millions time bigger they have past our baby stage...
if not it would be like finding a needle in a galaxy.

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Skyfox81

Is all life outside Earth intelligent, NO.

Is any space faring, Galaxy traveling species highly intelligent? Compared to us, YES.

I don't know that I would make that assumption. We are currently on the cusp of off planet mining, and permanent bases on the moon and mars. We are only a couple of tech breakthroughs away from commonplace travel within the solar system.

Is it that big of a leap that in a few hundred years we could be exploring other star systems in a time frame that makes the idea plausible?

Even that, compared to a Civilization that travels light years around the Galaxy, are of whole different magnitudes of technology and ability.

Technology, and therefore ability, yes. Innate intelligence though? I don't see a direct corellation.

I'm not implying that humans are some superintelligent life form. We have no real baseline for that type of comparison.

I just think given time, and the irrepressible curiosity of the species, we will solve some of the roadblocks that keep us anchored to this planet.

Travel within the solar system, sure - it is "achievable" (still need to iron out the details about mid-to-long term survivability though).

Travel beyond, however, to other stars? Other regions of space within a lifetime? That is much, much, much harder and difficult to achieve. Test vessels/craft alone will probably take decades to hundreds of years to test (for levels of success etc), let alone actual manned craft. (Imagine the duration of testing the seaworthiness of new state-of-the-art naval destroyers here on planet Earth and then multiply that by decades or even hundreds of years - deep space is a whole different ballgame)

At the technological stage we are currently in, that is true.

Even at speeds of 50% that of light it would not be plausible, and I don't see "wormholes" as a viable option either.

I'm thinking more along the lines of spacetime manipulation of some sort.

a reply to: Skyfox81

Obviously they have superior intelligence by not coming down here.

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Skyfox81

Is all life outside Earth intelligent, NO.

Is any space faring, Galaxy traveling species highly intelligent? Compared to us, YES.

I don't know that I would make that assumption. We are currently on the cusp of off planet mining, and permanent bases on the moon and mars. We are only a couple of tech breakthroughs away from commonplace travel within the solar system.

Is it that big of a leap that in a few hundred years we could be exploring other star systems in a time frame that makes the idea plausible?

Even that, compared to a Civilization that travels light years around the Galaxy, are of whole different magnitudes of technology and ability.

Technology, and therefore ability, yes. Innate intelligence though? I don't see a direct corellation.

I'm not implying that humans are some superintelligent life form. We have no real baseline for that type of comparison.

I just think given time, and the irrepressible curiosity of the species, we will solve some of the roadblocks that keep us anchored to this planet.

Surely a race that is spanning the Galaxy traveling has more or equal "irrepressible curiousity", don't you think?

You are putting humans up on a pedestal when we currently have slave markets operating in the world.

We aren't that great tbh.

Probably not. You'd need an intelligent species to create the level of technology to build space worthy transport and to create the robotics to do all the maintenance, navigation and repairs. After that? Nah.
George Orwell wrote about how technology at some point was making all these skills obsolete. Same could be said for intelligence beyond a baseline average.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Skyfox81

Is all life outside Earth intelligent, NO.

Is any space faring, Galaxy traveling species highly intelligent? Compared to us, YES.

I don't know that I would make that assumption. We are currently on the cusp of off planet mining, and permanent bases on the moon and mars. We are only a couple of tech breakthroughs away from commonplace travel within the solar system.

Is it that big of a leap that in a few hundred years we could be exploring other star systems in a time frame that makes the idea plausible?

Even that, compared to a Civilization that travels light years around the Galaxy, are of whole different magnitudes of technology and ability.

Technology, and therefore ability, yes. Innate intelligence though? I don't see a direct corellation.

I'm not implying that humans are some superintelligent life form. We have no real baseline for that type of comparison.

I just think given time, and the irrepressible curiosity of the species, we will solve some of the roadblocks that keep us anchored to this planet.

Surely a race that is spanning the Galaxy traveling has more or equal "irrepressible curiousity", don't you think?

You are putting humans up on a pedestal when we currently have slave markets operating in the world.

We aren't that great tbh.

I think you are reading more into my post than is actually there.

Common sense says any species who ventures off their home planet would be curious, and have an exploratory mindset.

I'm not putting humanity on some pedestal. That really doesn't make sense. As I said in a previous post, there is no baseline of sentient, intelligent beings to make any rational comparison.

a reply to: gortex

I think they would need to be more intelligent than humans to understand the physics of traveling between the stars at sufficient speeds to make their effort viable , as yet we have not made it past our own Moon and seemingly will not be able to leave our own Solar System for many hundreds of years.

Science and technological advancement are cumulative. They are built on the back of previous knowledge and understanding. I don't think we are much smarter than the Greeks were 2000 years ago, yet we know significantly more.

In 2000 more years, even if we are not smarter, we will likely know much more, because we had the benefit of existing knowledge to work off of.

Given this, why would aliens with superior tech necessarily need to be smarter? They could have merely been using their comparable level of intelligence for a longer time frame.

a reply to: Mach2

As I said in a previous post, there is no baseline of sentient, intelligent beings to make any rational comparison

originally posted by: surnamename57

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
We don't have a motive that doesn't come from our basic primitive nature to conquer and plunder and consume.

Yes, we do! And it comes from our basic primitive curiosity to explore and detect and comprehend.

Attempting to travel to another star is a bit different from popping that annoying pimple on your forehead to see what's in there. A real scientist will tell you that manned interstellar travel is all but impossible. Even to the nearest stars. That's ~4 light years. Sounds like not much until you consider that for humans to travel at light speed is impossible. But even AT light speed (if we could do it) that's STILL 4.3 YEARS in space EACH WAY.

Of course I'm not against trying to work on it. I just think it's going to be wasted effort UNLESS you are happy with staying in our own solar system. That's still VERY ambitious but probably doable within the next couple hundred years.

originally posted by: Skyfox81
Heres a thought.
(Excluding computer/human hybrids)

Do space traveling aliens need to be more intelligent than humans?

For example humans in 100 year will deff colonize the moon and mars. 1,000 years most likely leaving the solar system.

Could we out smart an alien due to thei 'intelligents solely reliant on technology?

I think your estimations regarding man's future advancements are way off. It was just 116 years the Wright Brothers launched the first recorded airplane flight at Kitty Hawk, NC. Voyager 1 left our solar system in 2013. So between man's first flight to our first space probe leaving our solar system passed just 110 years.

The ability to go from a brief first flight to exiting our solar system is derived from our advancements in too many scientific fields to list. So to answer your question the answer is "yes" aliens are substantially more intelligent than humans regarding space travel.

However, does that mean an alien would be able to comprehend how to operate a cotton gin and derive it's purpose and function simply by looking at it? Absolutely not. So the question of "intelligence" is relative to the subject matter. Your subject matter is space travel and clearly another race who has already mastered it is clearly more "intelligent" than humans relative to that subject matter.