Neuralink

Elon Musk wants to put chips in the brain, they want it to be wireless... surely in a world where we are all too aware of the vulnerabilities of computers it's probably not a good idea to pair your body and mind with one? When do we cross the line with technology?

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Imagine someone has one of these chips and you can penetrate it then begin sending them thoughts/commands or you could stop their heart, ofcourse this will be marketed as a convenience for the Apple generation.

a reply to: Mover3

As an information security professional I can see a ton of ways in which this can be exploited and it's an absolutely terrifying prospect. As someone who is hoping for the singularity to occur where we can upload to a non-biological device, I welcome the innovation.

a reply to: Hypntick

Why so you can suffer for ever
Little I can guarantee but life is suffering, why live forever

a reply to: Hypntick

As an information security professional I can see a ton of ways in which this can be exploited and it's an absolutely terrifying prospect.

Like when Skynet wants to take over. All it has to do is send wireless instructions for humans to turn upon each other and we'll all be wiped out leaving the machines to rule the world!

I think there needs to be a "cool" down point. Just because we CAN doesn't mean we SHOULD.

And i'm not speaking from some cave man religious type position. The pace at which we are moving has been exponential. When it seems that we should be on a more linear path. Rapid expansion can often be uncontrollable and lead to an explosion(or termination of the path of progress).

Maybe that's why prior advanced civilizations failed and we seem to have started from "scratch" a time or two(count is debatable).

There needs to be cooler heads and a bit more "fear" as we tread into unknown territories. Less we become just another fabled part of human history as our ancestors toil around in the dirt with no knowledge of the advanced civilization that predated them.

a reply to: Raggedyman

I don't find it suffering to live, I would imagine that if you do you might want to re-evaluate some things. I wouldn't mind my consciousness being around for the next great leap in humanity, be that going to the stars or my suspicion of self destruction. Either way I think it would be quite a thing to witness in some capacity.

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: Mover3

As an information security professional I can see a ton of ways in which this can be exploited and it's an absolutely terrifying prospect. As someone who is hoping for the singularity to occur where we can upload to a non-biological device, I welcome the innovation.

Singularity....

For humans that would be more like cybermen as opposed to the utopia you are hoping for.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Hypntick

Why so you can suffer for ever
Little I can guarantee but life is suffering, why live forever

Because the inevitability that one day we wont see the next thing we hoped for, is a cruel punishment for having suffered living at all.

originally posted by: Diaspar
a reply to: Hypntick

As an information security professional I can see a ton of ways in which this can be exploited and it's an absolutely terrifying prospect.

Like when Skynet wants to take over. All it has to do is send wireless instructions for humans to turn upon each other and we'll all be wiped out leaving the machines to rule the world!

As long as I have high powered lazorz and supremely honed upgrades allowing me pin point accuracy, I don't see the problem..

a reply to: MisterSpock

A COOL DOWN PERIOD???

I just wanted a bagel.

Like when Skynet wants to take over. All it has to do is send wireless instructions for humans to turn upon each other and we'll all be wiped out leaving the machines to rule the world!

Actually, what i posted was only half in jest

Since just after the dawn of the internet a continuing effort has been made to provide security to it, yet hackers (individuals, corporations or state sponsored) have proven themselves to be very resourceful and very determined.

In this case, it's not such a stretch to see those same groups making every effort to do the same thing. No matter how many safeguards and security measures are put in place a vulnerability will be found and exploited, only this time it would be far worse than hacking credit card details...

On the other hand, i could see the Military being very interested in this. For example, grow some clones, insert Musk's chip. Now you could have controllable and expendable soldiers....

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: Raggedyman

I don't find it suffering to live, I would imagine that if you do you might want to re-evaluate some things. I wouldn't mind my consciousness being around for the next great leap in humanity, be that going to the stars or my suspicion of self destruction. Either way I think it would be quite a thing to witness in some capacity.

Ahh but life is suffering, that's the entire point. Always wanting, always grasping. We strive for the next thing, and when we have it, it's not enough, we still want. It's not actual suffering, it's the struggle for perceived happiness. We are never truly happy, not in out subconscious living. If we step back and take stock, we already have everything we need, but the nature of us, wants. The wanting mind, is one of suffering.

I may be flippant and derisive a lot of the time, but there are few things I know... this is one of them. You really have to be mindful and aware of your own self, in order to find equilibrium... or be so filthy rich you can fend off that unpleasantness with loads of substances, chicks and a massive yacht.

I dunno... I'll never have any of it.. so standing in puddles with soggy socks it is. FOREVER.. at least I can turn my feet off this way.

While I am not for the merging of man with machine biologically I see little doubt for a future where man and machine merge in a symbiotic relationship through external means by wearing of a helmet glasses and even a body suit...
Of course the military is well underway in such applications but I’m talking about a tru sync of artificial intelligence with our minds and bodies which would make the realm of imagination and super hero abilities commonplace...

a reply to: Diaspar

In seeing how lax security measures are these days even in large enterprises and governments, the chance that some sort of exploitation, intentional or otherwise is almost a certainty. If consciousness can be changed to code in a system, that code can be altered in some fashion, you would never know you were being manipulated as it would be part of your base "program". You could find some fashion to encrypt uploads into the system, but eventually unless the priority of humanity changes, there will be some way around that encryption.

It's already possible to hack a human, look at the world of social engineering. The human is actually the weakest point in many security systems, in spite of the technological controls in place to prevent behavior that leaves them open to compromise. Complex passwords, awareness training, secure network architecture and design...all can be undone by some jackass clicking a link in an email or believing the person on the phone is actually from tech support. Heck we have in some of our red teams outfits for shipping and delivery companies, if you trust someone in a UPS uniform and leave them unescorted, congrats you just let a threat actor into the facility.


a reply to: gallop

I can see that interpretation of suffering, kind of why I would love the singularity, you get to constantly strive in another medium to determine the eventual outcome of things. Or someone drops a table somewhere and that erases everything you ever were, the suspense might be a means of suffering in of itself. You would hope that a backup exists somewhere, but is that backup truly a backup or its own independent stream of consciousness?

Ugh.

Honestly, this guy is a user and an idiot. He gets people hyped behind “his” ideas but he is just the salesman. Er, salesperson (sorry to force identify a gender but I am old school!)

This is hyperbole! Stop believing in it like Tinker Bell and maybe it will die and go away.

This is an idea. And a sales pitch. Nothing more. Not news. He said the same years ago and we have no proof that it actually works.

Oh, “Space X”... welp, there is a crap load of explosions to go along with that. And Tesla ain’t making home battery packs. And the solar panels are all but dead. The cars keep being scaled down in features and anybody who has watched a restaurant go from sesame buns to white bread knows the end is near.

I expect a battery announcement to sink his dreams on his cars. And if hydrogen production goes anywhere soon then Elon’s “stupid gas” will sink him. He knows it. So the used car salesman show continues.

Without government subsidies he is doomed as is his car/battery/solar panel business.

#StupidGas

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
While I am not for the merging of man with machine biologically I see little doubt for a future where man and machine merge in a symbiotic relationship through external means by wearing of a helmet glasses and even a body suit...
Of course the military is well underway in such applications but I’m talking about a tru sync of artificial intelligence with our minds and bodies which would make the realm of imagination and super hero abilities commonplace...

I've said it for almost 10 years now, we are already cyborgs.

Try take away the mobile device from your 15 year old kid, and see just how broken they become.

Like removing a leg..

originally posted by: Hypntick
I can see that interpretation of suffering, kind of why I would love the singularity, you get to constantly strive in another medium to determine the eventual outcome of things. Or someone drops a table somewhere and that erases everything you ever were, the suspense might be a means of suffering in of itself. You would hope that a backup exists somewhere, but is that backup truly a backup or its own independent stream of consciousness?

I'd think we'd be more in control of our own DB's than someone dropping a table to corrupt a database, but then... as we are right now, if someone drops a table on our head, we're likely to lose everything also.

Or at least develop a Scottish accent.

I remember when the family photo album was all the backup we had, too. some of the pictures only meant things to us by what those who remembered them, told us. the thread never growing longer, always growing shorter.

I'd willingly accept the chance to live for eternity. You can always add less, if the recipe becomes too rancid.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Yeah, we will probably find out spacex is a gov shill biz like facebook and they really just want to fill the sky with spy crap.

a reply to: Diaspar

Now you could have controllable and expendable soldiers....

Sorry but that’s always been the case as far as the top brass are concerned.

I don’t believe computers can ever become sentient or that we will be able to upload our consciousness to them as if it’s a program or some app.

Skynet and a robotic army is just about here though.

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: Mover3

As an information security professional I can see a ton of ways in which this can be exploited and it's an absolutely terrifying prospect. As someone who is hoping for the singularity to occur where we can upload to a non-biological device, I welcome the innovation.

It's a tough one, I also see benefits but there's always the nagging doubt...