on the question why does God allow suffering

You must have heard it before: Why does God allow suffering?

First of all this question suggests God allows suffering.
It suggests God exists and is responsible for the suffering in this world.

Is such thing right to assume?

Second, can there ever be a satisfying answer to this question?

It's like asking, why did your brother kill my sister and expect a satisfying and justifying answer. There's no satisfying and justifying answer to both these questions so no matter how you reply to it people instinctively react with "oh my God is such a psychopath".

Kind of the same thing with 'can God create a rock he cannot lift'.

The problem here is God is almighty. God can create anything and God can lift anything but to create something he cannot lift that is impossible for an almighty being. Do you get it, it's impossible for an almighty being and the human understanding reasons God therefore is not almighty but this is not the case.

Proverbs 3;5-6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

1. Because there's no such thing as God?

2. If there was such a thing, the being would have to be more of a sadist or something to have done all of this by design. Kind of a bizarre belief system some people have. But that's humans for you.

3. That's satisfying enough for me.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Because there's no such thing as God?

Perhaps not like he is assumed to be in the mind of some people.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Because there's no such thing as God?

Perhaps not like he is assumed to be in the mind of some people.

There is no "perhaps" in my mind.

To answer your second question.

He gave humans a mind of their own.

God did not pollute the world, humans did.
God did not murder millions of people in wars, humans did.

No matter how delusional in their understanding.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

What I have come up with to this question is something ppl don't like to hear.

God has given humanity a gift called "Free Will" and we as human exploit the hell out of this. Who causes suffering? People do in some form or fashion, we either cause ourselves to suffer, cause others to suffer from our actions or word, or we as humans cause suffering to other masses of people.

We as people can't dare blame ourseleves for all the hell we go through and so we blame God for allowing suffering or we blame Satan for the turmoil in our lives. But in most cases we have done it to ourselves (i.e. humanity) through a veriaty of methods.

I think of God as a being outside of this world and has little to no interaction with how the daily lives of his creation works.

Much like a person who builds a computer. The components/motherboard/solenoids/electricity etc is all inside of it, yet the "Creator" is outside.

God is not directly a part of his creations life. God is indirectly a part of it.

At the same time - What if we were created to be put through a test of faith? No matter what happens, how bad it gets and who you lose along the way, you still carry your faith for your creator. Yet, of course you can throw an opposite in the whole mix (ie: Lucifer) and you can be completely deceived as to how this world works, what it is and that God only wants suffering. (People who are corrupt and blind cause the suffering)

This then brings into fact that it is a spiritual battle and we are placed here to see which side we go with.

The easy, "be a human and do what you will", side. (Lucifer)

Or

The hard, beat down, crawling through mud until the end while still carrying your faith that everything will be OK in the end, side. (God)

That's my 2 cents.

originally posted by: MorpheusUSA
a reply to: Out6of9Balance

What I have come up with to this question is something ppl don't like to hear.

God has given humanity a gift called "Free Will" and we as human exploit the hell out of this. Who causes suffering? People do is some form or fashion, we either cause ourselves to suffer, cause others to suffer from our actions or word, or we as humans cause suffering to other masses of people.

We as people can't dare blame ourseleves for all the hell we go through and so we blame God for allowing suffering or we blame Satan for the turmoil in our lives. But in most cases we have done it to ourselves (i.e. humanity) through a veriaty of methods.

Well yes, if we submitted to the only one who is good and alknowing and did not sin. If we could raise the dead and heal the sick.

Allow it?
If God is omniscient, omnipresent and the creator of all things.... He causes it.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

We humans accept suffering if it is voluntary. Suffering for a higher goal. Suffering for a greater good. Suffering in war, suffering to raise children. Suffering for any number of things deemed important. But voluntary.

Extreme athletes that suffer for their sport, take risks that can end in great suffering. I could add to this list.

So what if this entire world is a world we enter voluntarily instead of just being born here as an end product of some Divine plan to put us here to suffer. What if we wanted to come here, knowing ahead of time that we were coming to a place where there was suffering for some greater or higher or fuller experience of existences full potential.

What if out of all those rooms in ''God's Heaven'', you know those rooms where the sheep lay down with the lion and the rooms where all God's chillun live so happily on for ever and ever, what if one of those rooms was a room for those beings who for one reason or another understand that suffering could help them in their eternal existential voyage decide to come to this specific room for that experience?

originally posted by: IrateCanadian
I think of God as a being outside of this world and has little to no interaction with how the daily lives of his creation works.

Much like a person who builds a computer. The components/motherboard/solenoids/electricity etc is all inside of it, yet the "Creator" is outside.

God is not directly a part of his creations life. God is indirectly a part of it.

At the same time - What if we were created to be put through a test of faith? No matter what happens, how bad it gets and who you lose along the way, you still carry your faith for your creator. Yet, of course you can throw an opposite in the whole mix (ie: Lucifer) and you can be completely deceived as to how this world works, what it is and that God only wants suffering.

This then brings into fact that it is a spiritual battle and we are placed here to see which side we go with.

The easy, "be a human and do what you will", side. (Lucifer)

Or

The hard, beat down, crawling through mud until the end while still carrying your faith that everything will be OK in the end, side. (God)

That's my 2 cents.

Yes, the creator is on the outside, but how the system works was once a thought in the mind of the creator.

originally posted by: butcherguy
Allow it?
If God is omniscient, omnipresent and the creator of all things.... He causes it.

We are not immortal.

Is God to blame for the suffering you cause yourself?

Not sure where I'm going with this.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

A lot of the suffering we face is there as a result of our own actions. It's very easy to blame everything on God. Yes, God knew you were going to screw up, but he gave us free will to screw things up. Why? Because when we screw things up, we turn to God for help and forgiveness. God LOVES when you turn back to him after you screw something up. Believers are most close to God in times of hardship. If only good existed in this world, a lot of us would've neglected God.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

3. That's satisfying enough for me.

You were satisfied to start thinking about existence at a point which is unfinished. To each his own!
Think back to before you existed, that is what a completely controlled existence is. God allows us the ability to bring suffering into this world.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

First of all this question suggests God allows suffering. It suggests God exists and is responsible for the suffering in this world. Is such thing right to assume

Well the question is asked - why does god allow suffering - therefore there is no assumption.

The more direct question is why doesn't god stop the suffering; takes the saying "as above so below" to another level.

Either God has free will and man doesn't, or Man has free will and god doesn't.

Wrap your word games around that!

originally posted by: apydomis

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

3. That's satisfying enough for me.

You were satisfied to start thinking about existence at a point which is unfinished. To each his own!
Think back to before you existed, that is what a completely controlled existence is. God allows us the ability to bring suffering into this world.

Creator of all things.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
To answer your second question.

He gave humans a mind of their own.

God did not pollute the world, humans did.
God did not murder millions of people in wars, humans did.

No matter how delusional in their understanding.

According to the babble, "God" made humans in his image. Using that reasoning, humans just did what God made them to do. Really, the whole messy story is such obvious made up BS.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I believe this post was necessary and we are not to judge one for their understanding of things. All wisdom comes from the Lord.

a reply to: ReligiousQuestionDude

God LOVES when you turn back to him after you screw something up. Believers are most close to God in times of hardship

So god ignores those who cruise through life?

Isn't the saying "misery loves company'

wiki

Misery loves company. ... Misery loves company means people who are suffering are comforted by the knowledge that other are also unhappy. It is a proverb, which is a short phrase or sentence that addresses a universal truth or common sentiment.

Such a god! Wow

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
To answer your second question.

He gave humans a mind of their own.

God did not pollute the world, humans did.
God did not murder millions of people in wars, humans did.

No matter how delusional in their understanding.

According to the babble, "God" made humans in his image. Using that reasoning, humans just did what God made them to do. Really, the whole messy story is such obvious made up BS.

Your reasoning is obvious made up BS.