Further proof that the *Trans Agenda* is anything but "progressive"

a reply to: new_here

LOL well I hope it is a mistake? Anyways I work with a transgender.. I poop next to her like I would a man, if that makes sense? No worries here but he/she is a good worker, does his or her job and goes home like the rest of us.. Some people aren't bad in this world ETA just a bit different.

a reply to: MarlbBlack

No one thinks that a natal woman is any threat to men in the men's restroom. The opposite is the concern.

And I certainly didn't suggest your colleague is "bad" ...just sadly mistaken. She can dress and act however she wants but she will ever and for always be a female human being.

originally posted by: MarlbBlack
a reply to: new_here

LOL well I hope it is a mistake? Anyways I work with a transgender.. I poop next to her like I would a man, if that makes sense? No worries here but he/she is a good worker, does his or her job and goes home like the rest of us.. Some people aren't bad in this world ETA just a bit different.

That's nice. Perhaps you could let all the men identifying as "women" know that they are equally welcome in men's spaces (like bathrooms) so they can't use male violence as an excuse to force themselves into women's protected spaces.

That would be really awesome!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

The dude who thinks men who go to strip clubs to watch women dance and strip want to BECOME female strippers.

I know you didn't address this comment to me, and I'm not trying to speak for the other poster, and maybe I'm missing something here...

But sissy porn -- and especially an addiction to sissy porn -- is definitely a factor in many men wanting to identify as "women." And apparently this type of porn is designed to create an addiction, so it is often called "sissy hypno" or just "hypno" porn.

At some point, I think men are going to have to take a look at this and address it from the male perspective. It's literally destroying some young men. At the very least, it's fostering very unrealistic expectations -- and therefore unhealthy and unfulfilling ideas -- regarding girls/women and sexual relations. These boys need strong male mentors to help them navigate their own sexual development and experiences.

If this is what you really believe, then this is what you really believe.

Doesn't make it true, I'm afraid...

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Man....

I sure wish you guys would actually check a dictionary...

you must be new to the world.

why dont you look up the word Man first yourself & start there.

also, you do not ge to own the entire word progress. everyone is making progress. what you are referring to is a definition that has changed already, get it? everyone wants to make progress. see how childish the left is?

see how rich off the backs of the People the left is?

is that progress into the caste system again? progressing to a feudal system? untouchables on American streets progressive enough?

pay attention and try an older dictionary to see the changes in definitions.

then ask yourself.. have they really progressed or just lied to you while the control you?

originally posted by: Boadicea
We also know that when left alone, 60 to 80% of these kids will "grow into" their sexuality and "gender".

I'd love to know where you got that stat, because I think it is way, way off.

More like 90-95+% will 'grow into' their sexuality.

"This may or may not be true for adults, but for children (before, during and immediately after puberty), it is again, pure nonsense."

No, it's not nonsense.

Actually, generally speaking, yes, it is.

Yes, it must be kept in perspective.

Exactly. It is a very small percentage (I believe much smaller than you suggest above) that even end up gay, much less trans - if they are left to mature normally without drugs or being subjected to radical LGBTQabcxyz propaganda.

Yes, it applies to a relative small percentage of those who question their gender. But it cannot be denied. There are many such testimonials of this exact personal experience.

Gay, sure, but trans? Just no. There is zero room, in reality, for any rational arguments in favor of trans being anything other than a disorder.

Males are XY. Females are YY.

People born with anything other than XY or YY simply suffer from some genetic/birth defect.

And no, I am not saying they are bad people or anything like that, I feel for them, but truth is truth.

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Rightwing/conservative = uphold the traditions of the past or return to some bygone era of perceived greatness rather than embracing broad scale change..

Leftwing/liberal/progressive = ignore the traditions of the past and instead embrace new changes..

Pathetic, even for you.

Right wing = Seeing your culture, your way of life, the very things you hold dear and as truth, being spat on by children fresh out of university without a care in the world as to your opinion, cares or intent, struggling to defend these things by standing up for them, fighting for them and not backing down.

Left wing = spitting on the right wing, bashing them, calling them nazis and acting like jackboot thugs.

What TF has led you to such an errant mind set... they should be charged with abuse.

If new change is to happen, it happens over time. If you FORCE IT, you can go frack yourself.

You're a detriment to the future, not the bastions of it... fml.

a reply to: Boadicea

you are breaking the point... Saying she/he works just as hard. have a good day being trigged

a reply to: EternalShadow

You only have to happen across one, just one video of the Folsom Street Fair, a Pride event...

To know exactly what these lot want.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

If this is what you really believe, then this is what you really believe.

Doesn't make it true, I'm afraid...

And vice versa. However, I don't "believe" this because it's what I want to believe... I certainly didn't make this up! I "believe" it because this is what many men who identify as "women" tell us about themselves.

Urban Dictionary: "Sissy Hypno"

Sissy Hypno is a sub-genre of porn where images of hot women are utilised to turn on the target audience (mainly beta submissive males) and then quickly after a frame or two is shown of an erect penis [snip] as well as words flashing up on the screen saying [snip], [snip], "Wear panties" "You need to get on your knees for a man" and phrases that serve to temporarily alter the viewer's sexual tastes (this practice is known as rewiring however it is fully reversible once the viewer lays off fapping and watching this type of porn) and make them think they are actually female in a male body.

Sissy Training

Definition - What does Sissy Training mean?
Sissy training is a process where submissive men learn to take on traditionally female roles. The submissive, known as a sissy, learns to adopt ultra-feminine behaviors and perform feminine activities under the guidance of his Dominant partner. Sissy training is usually performed as part of a BDSM role playing scene or BDSM lifestyle.

Did Sissy Porn Make Me Trans?

Sissy pornography takes many different forms and touches on a host of related kinks, like chastity and lifestyle D/s, but most prevalent and powerful is its relationship to humiliation. I didn’t especially want to be humiliated for wanting to be feminine, and I didn’t see any reason why someone should pretend to force me into doing what I wanted to do. But for the sake of adopting a label I understood, I acquiesced. It was a convenient falsehood, a context in which wanting to be a girl could be explained, and a good enough coping mechanism — for a while.

The reason why you are addicted to "sissy-porn"

It is what it is.

a reply to: tanstaafl

I'd love to know where you got that stat, because I think it is way, way off. More like 90-95+% will 'grow into' their sexuality.

Here are a couple articles that look closely at the studies which have been published:

The Controversial Research on 'Desistance' in Transgender Youth

How many transgender kids grow up to stay trans?

Gay, sure, but trans? Just no. There is zero room, in reality, for any rational arguments in favor of trans being anything other than a disorder.

If you are including paraphilias as a "disorder," then I completely agree. Specifically referring to autogynephilia, of course. Gender dysphoria is not the only motivation for identifying as transgender.

originally posted by: MarlbBlack
a reply to: Boadicea

you are breaking the point... Saying she/he works just as hard. have a good day being trigged

LOL! "Breaking the point"? I have no idea what that even means!!!

I am assuming, however, that it refers somehow to me not accepting your "point" as the whole truth. And, in that case, I sure am! You can wax poetic all you want about how accepting and open you are to the person in the stall next to you as you relieve yourself.

And I can continue to scream from the rooftops that forcing men into women's protected spaces is a danger to women and girls.

originally posted by: Boadicea
Here are a couple articles that look closely at the studies which have been published:

The Controversial Research on 'Desistance' in Transgender Youth

How many transgender kids grow up to stay trans?

Ok, but those studies ignore the primary condition I made, so I guess I should also clarify what I meant by 90-95+%...

First, I would actually be very surprised if the number wasn't closer to 99.9%, but regardless, this is if, and only if the children are not exposed to any of the radical LGBTQ crap agenda, and are in normal schools, where they are treated as ... kids. No formal indoctrination about LGBTQ ideas in any way, shape or form - and very little informal information - basically, the way it was when I grew up.

It would be very interesting to see stats comparing kids in schools that have zero exposure to the LGBTQ agenda at all, vs those that do.

"There is zero room, in reality, for any rational arguments in favor of trans being anything other than a disorder."

If you are including paraphilias as a "disorder," then I completely agree. Specifically referring to autogynephilia, of course. Gender dysphoria is not the only motivation for identifying as transgender.

Of course, and I agree completely.

I think we're mostly on the same page.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Ok, but those studies ignore the primary condition I made, so I guess I should also clarify what I meant by 90-95+%...

Thank you for clarifying. The entire subject is so convoluted that some points really need to be clarified for any practical discussion. And I think it's deliberate.

First, I would actually be very surprised if the number wasn't closer to 99.9%, but regardless, this is if, and only if the children are not exposed to any of the radical LGBTQ crap agenda, and are in normal schools, where they are treated as ... kids. No formal indoctrination about LGBTQ ideas in any way, shape or form - and very little informal information - basically, the way it was when I grew up.

It would be very interesting to see stats comparing kids in schools that have zero exposure to the LGBTQ agenda at all, vs those that do.

I would love to see those stats too. If no one told them "changing gender" was an option, I very much doubt most would ever think it for themselves.

And going back to what I said before about the issues being so deliberately convoluted, I have no doubt this is being pushed on kids in schools for the same reasons. They Trans Activists are knowingly and deliberately poisoning these kids' minds -- knowing exactly how susceptible they are to social pressure and contagion -- to hide the creepers and perverts.

And, of course, so that some folks can make big $$ off making these kids lifelong medical dependents. Pretty much "break them and they'll need us forever" type thing.

I think we're mostly on the same page.

I concur

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

If this is what you really believe, then this is what you really believe.

Doesn't make it true, I'm afraid...

And vice versa. However, I don't "believe" this because it's what I want to believe... I certainly didn't make this up! I "believe" it because this is what many men who identify as "women" tell us about themselves.

Urban Dictionary: "Sissy Hypno"

Sissy Hypno is a sub-genre of porn where images of hot women are utilised to turn on the target audience (mainly beta submissive males) and then quickly after a frame or two is shown of an erect penis [snip] as well as words flashing up on the screen saying [snip], [snip], "Wear panties" "You need to get on your knees for a man" and phrases that serve to temporarily alter the viewer's sexual tastes (this practice is known as rewiring however it is fully reversible once the viewer lays off fapping and watching this type of porn) and make them think they are actually female in a male body.

Sissy Training

Definition - What does Sissy Training mean?
Sissy training is a process where submissive men learn to take on traditionally female roles. The submissive, known as a sissy, learns to adopt ultra-feminine behaviors and perform feminine activities under the guidance of his Dominant partner. Sissy training is usually performed as part of a BDSM role playing scene or BDSM lifestyle.

Did Sissy Porn Make Me Trans?

Sissy pornography takes many different forms and touches on a host of related kinks, like chastity and lifestyle D/s, but most prevalent and powerful is its relationship to humiliation. I didn’t especially want to be humiliated for wanting to be feminine, and I didn’t see any reason why someone should pretend to force me into doing what I wanted to do. But for the sake of adopting a label I understood, I acquiesced. It was a convenient falsehood, a context in which wanting to be a girl could be explained, and a good enough coping mechanism — for a while.

The reason why you are addicted to "sissy-porn"

It is what it is.

Sounds like a bunch of pseudobabble.

Even if it were true, you'd have got to be as weak-minded and/or gullible like the folks in 1930s Germany. Really?

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: tanstaafl

Ok, but those studies ignore the primary condition I made, so I guess I should also clarify what I meant by 90-95+%...

Thank you for clarifying. The entire subject is so convoluted that some points really need to be clarified for any practical discussion. And I think it's deliberate.

First, I would actually be very surprised if the number wasn't closer to 99.9%, but regardless, this is if, and only if the children are not exposed to any of the radical LGBTQ crap agenda, and are in normal schools, where they are treated as ... kids. No formal indoctrination about LGBTQ ideas in any way, shape or form - and very little informal information - basically, the way it was when I grew up.

It would be very interesting to see stats comparing kids in schools that have zero exposure to the LGBTQ agenda at all, vs those that do.

I would love to see those stats too. If no one told them "changing gender" was an option, I very much doubt most would ever think it for themselves.

And going back to what I said before about the issues being so deliberately convoluted, I have no doubt this is being pushed on kids in schools for the same reasons. They Trans Activists are knowingly and deliberately poisoning these kids' minds -- knowing exactly how susceptible they are to social pressure and contagion -- to hide the creepers and perverts.

And, of course, so that some folks can make big $$ off making these kids lifelong medical dependents. Pretty much "break them and they'll need us forever" type thing.

I think we're mostly on the same page.

I concur

Whilst I see what you are saying about kids being "influenced" etc, I have to say that I used to be a kid once and at the danger of sounding pompous and proud, I was never so gullible or easily "influenced". I never once believed in Santa Claus, didn't believe in an unproven deity (despite being born in a Christian family) and always knew Hollywood movies were just that - movies. Are kids really as dumb and gullible as we think they are?

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Sounds like a bunch of pseudobabble.

Um... well... isn't it ALL a bunch of pseudobabble??? "Gender identity" and "woman essence" and "lady brain" aren't exactly rooted in reality. Doesn't it make sense that the impetus would be the same?

Even if it were true, you'd have got to be as weak-minded and/or gullible like the folks in 1930s Germany. Really?

You're right -- perhaps even more so than '30s Germany. And you can blow it off if you want. But just because you don't believe it or understand it doesn't mean it's not happening.

But think about it... we are talking about the "snowflake" generation... the ones who are "triggered" by words and need their "safe spaces." In that context, in a weird way, it makes sense. I don't like it any more than you do, and I sure don't get it (which you don't seem to either), but this is where we're at. ("We" as in society -- not you and/or me personally).

I would very much like to see this sissy porn and many other aspects studied and seriously considered, but it's one of many things hidden behind by the Trans Agenda under the guise of "equality" and "validation."

a reply to: new_here

Don't forget female Aspys. Aspberger's Syndrome is far underdiagnosed in girls because it manifests a lot differently. Female Aspys are more like little boys than little girls in many ways, and that may be getting misdiagnosed as trangenderism in many places.

Anytime you have a small special interest group that is clearly over-funded and has a bottomless warchest...which is somehow able to make PRECEDENT SETTING IMPACTS HAPPEN SOCIETALLY.....you need to stop-drop-and roll......it is derelict to allow small special interest groups the powers to control and dictate the directions society follows using fiscal and political powers which BY PROXY ABBROGATE THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THE MASSES.

It is called Governing by Committee not Governing by Poll......what has happened is we have replaced the hard-copy hands on 3rd Party policed and liable POLLING of peoples wants and needs ..with...Committee based and Consultant based decision making....small special interest groups who are given the inside track on how to work civil machines and who are given furtive supports form Commitees which are now ACCEPTED BY CIVIC LEADERS AS BEING REPRESENTATIVWE OF THE PEOPLES WANTS AND NEEDS IN THE EXACT WEIGHTED POSITON PROFESSIONAL POLLS OF TE PAST COULD DO...…. these Commitees ARE WITH A 100% CERTAINTY NOT REFLECTIVE IN A NON-BIASED MANNER OF THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THE MASSES.

tHESE cOMITTES ARE WORKING WITH POWER GROUPS WHO HELP TO COLLUSIONALLY HARVEST./STEAL HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND IN THE CASE OF Edmonton aLBERTA cANADA OVER ...A BILLION DOLLARS....in Edmonton alone nearly a BILLION DOLLARS was spent on consulting alone with no Capitol work being done at all....and hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent on Bicycle Lanes(in a WINTER CITY IN NORTHERN CANADA WITH A 4 MONTH SUMMER) and UNNEEDED CIVIC SIGNAGE ----- that was HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS...…. while major Hospitals are not being updated or built which are direly needed...while homelessness is at an all-time high....while the Global Economy is stagnant with an uncertain future.....rumor has it that in this city a former Civic Council members University drop-out kid needed to make a living so he started a wee little unknown PAINTING COMPANY...which OUT OF THE FREAKING BLUE happened to be the beneficiary of City business dollars after City Council for the FIRST TIME IN FOURTEEN YEARS MADE A UNANIMOUS DECISION.....to install major bicycle lanes onto roads of aa older established infrastructure which did not make provisions to share designated roadways with bicycles as per simple physical logistics....an uber- complicated uber-costly proposition...then they rolled this little con-job over into a massive city-wide "committee initiated" push to change the speed-limits in all SCHOOL AND PLAYGROUND ZONES.....anyone have any idea how many school AND playground areas there are in a metropolis city with over a million people?????...seriously.... this is massive and historic and soon to be outed publicly funded CIVIC FRAUD .NEARLY A BILLION IN CONSULTING FEES THROWN DOWN THE DRAIN WITH ZERO CAPITOL WORKS RETURNS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT ON BICYCLE LANES PAINTED ON THE PAVEMENT ALONG WITH HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF UN-NEEDED CITY SIGNS WHICH COST ABOUT 26OO DOLLARS APIECE TO INSTALL WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE....AND THIS IS NOT ALL......just guess which small special interest type groups are the catalysts behind these "commitees" and who START-UP and own the majority of the now many MILLION DOLLAR PLUS earning companies which are bleeding off civic tax dollars meant to build hospitals and improve living and health conditions for everyone in the city.... dollars not to meant to build enough bicycle lanes in a winter city to take you to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

originally posted by: CthruU
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

With the amount of trans gender discussions that goes on at ATS lately it's becoming a bit suffocating.

Maybe ATS should change its name to Another Transgender Story.

But who cares what the Iranians do, all they chant is death to the west so let em change sex surgically infact encourage it aggressively that way they can unbreed themselves out of existance bringing a percentage of peace to the world finially and one less headache for the free and democratic.

Now that would be progressive.

Suffocating hahaha , sorry Ive been trying to catch my breath under all the trump , left right , US politics threads

there are like 10 trans threads in the last year , compared to the 100 a day trump threads or us Dichotomy threads .