Trump to tackle homelessness

a reply to: seagull

Are you willing to give him a shot at it?

Do I have a choice? I don't think deporting the homeless from the view of VIPs is a workable solution. In Hawaii, they launched a campaign to give the homeless a one way ticket to any state they wanted, I don't think that was a workable solution either.

I fear that Trump's solution would be to round up the homeless and put them in work camps. I don't like the idea of people losing their freedom because of their financial state and homelessness.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

What's the bet he's planning something similar to what they did in Rio for the games, the moved the homeless away and put walls up around the train lines so when the trains passed through the crap areas no one could see it.

He's not tackling homelessness he's going to remove them from sight.

I'll take that bet...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

I fear that Trump's solution would be to round up the homeless and put them in work camps. I don't like the idea of people losing their freedom because of their financial state and homelessness.

Ya you would think that....


We can't "cure" all. Many like to be on the streets, but we can drastically reduce the numbers of those living on the streets.

Cities like LA, San Fran, Portland, Seattle etc all preached "homeless friendly" cities and so they came, but as soon as these cities saw there was a price to pay they became not so friendly. Libs love to talk the talk but not walk the walk...

1. Get pot-a-potties, there is no place to crap or piss. Businesses have all put combos on their restrooms so a city like Portland needs to put up and maintain about 500 port-a-potties.
2. Start building EU style public toilets. Many are just simple round piss troughs, but there needs to be a plan to weed out the port-a-potties
3. Establish places to sleep that are clean and safe. The tiny house movement comes to mind and so does the capsule hotel style.
4. Give them a mailing address
5. Provide healthcare and social services.
6. Provide programs to get them off the streets and into society once again.
7. Create a halfway house style of reentering society much like released long term convicts have.
8. The ones that like it on the streets, leave them alone...

a reply to: andy06shake

A lot of people end up homeless because they make mistakes or the wrong choices in life.

How do you expect these people to abide by such draconian measures and rules?

Rather a few are apt to make a mistake or transgress thus end up on your list for petty things given the problems the poor sods have, what happens to them?

If someone just makes bad decisions, then my proposal is a perfect opportunity for them to overcome it. Living on the street or in a crime-riddled area is not conducive to regaining one's position in society. What I am proposing is giving everyone, regardless of why they are on the street or down on their luck, a decent, clean home to live in, transportation, food, and all the necessities of life. if they can't lay off the drugs or booze, they will bring the whole building down into a crime-riddled mess just like the many housing projects we have today. If someone does not wish to clean up their act, no amount of money will make them do so.

On the other hand, I don't think the choice (and that's what this is: a choice) of a clean, crime-free place to live over homelessness is so draconian. Draconian is more allowing everyone in the area to bring down those who really want a chance at a better life.

You're hung up on the list... the one thing that can keep a person out. But the only way to get on that list is to prove yourself unable to follow the laws of society by trying to turn the home provided to you for free into a slum. Compare that to the 'lists' we have today... the regulations that a person must comply with in order to get help in the first place. Someone living under a bridge, for instance, is ineligible for SNAP simply because they don't have an address! Other programs are unavailable to non-minorities... felons... subject to intrusive income verification... those are whitelists, which are the most restrictive. Mine is a blacklist, which is the least restrictive.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I think some of the poor sods all ready have issues following the rules and laws of our society both socially and financially hence there predicament.

Your list would simply be setting them up to fail, and then they are back where they started, on the street, harboring even more discontent and resentment for a system that has failed them once again.

If Trump wishes to even address or understand the dilemma and issues these poor people face, it might be an idea to walk in their shoes for a week, not even that many stairs about.

I personally don't imagine he would make it through the night.

Not many politicians would if we are honest.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Build poor farms for the able bodied to earn their keep at and asylums for the mentally Ill homeless, same as the country used to. That would go a long way towards tackling the nation's drug issues, too.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Do you mean like the workhouses or concentration camps of centuries gone by???

Because that's what they would amount to.

That canny be the answer surely?

You may as well give the people that run these ""poor farms"" Brownshirts and Jackboots.

There is no war on drugs, and the only issue America has is the supply and demand, which she seems to have rather aptly covered if truth be told.

Legalize the drugs, and you might be able to tackle the addiction issues they breed in a meaningful manner.

Because your alternative is simply to keep losing a war that you are not even trying to fight, nevermind in the process generating countless trillions of untaxable dollars for some very spurious, nefarious, groups and individuals.

a reply to: andy06shake

I think some of the poor sods all ready have issues following the rules and laws of our society both socially and financially hence there predicament.

So how do you propose we solve that? If someone wants to live like a bum, guess what? They're gonna live like a bum no matter what. And to be honest, I do not care one bit about them. I care about the ones who just found themselves overextended, or have hit rock bottom and need a way to climb out of the hole they're in. That's the ones I want to help, and demanding that they respect the home we have given them for free isn't too much to ask. If it is, they're not the ones I want to help.

Sorry if that sounds harsh... no, actually, I'm not sorry if it sounds harsh. I have taken in people before to help them get back on their feet. The ones who appreciated what I did for them made it... eventually moved out and into their own home. The ones who didn't, wound up getting thrown out by me. They were lazy, shiftless, and didn't care about anyone or anything except their next drink or fix.

You cannot help someone like that. They have the life they want and they will not let go of it. All you can do is give them more to destroy, including the success chances of those who actually want to rise out of that crap.

TheRedneck

a reply to: andy06shake

Wah wah wah... No, had I ment concentration camps and brownshirts, I'd have said so. I meant the poor farms and flip houses every county in the US used to oversee back when vagrancy was rightly classified as a crime and vagrants weren't allowed to make their personal failures and problems the scourge of the entire community.

If you think that somehow compares to "Naziism" then the only thing more lacking than your historical knowledge is your perspective.

originally posted by: Trucker1
If they are willing to work and earn their way at a job that is provided for them there might be a chance of getting them off the street successfully. If not all they'll ever be is a liability.

Its not that easy, most homeless aren't lazy, a lot of them actually have incomes, but live in sqauts or out of the back of vehicles because their incomes aren't enough to even rent a room.

There are also lots of homeless veterans with ptsd or physical injuries that makes it difficult for them to function normally.

No company wants somebody who has severe mental health problems. A vet who has impulse control problem caused by a head injury isn't going to get very far.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: andy06shake

Wah wah wah... No, had I ment concentration camps and brownshirts, I'd have said so. I meant the poor farms and flip houses every county in the US used to oversee back when vagrancy was rightly classified as a crime and vagrants weren't allowed to make their personal failures and problems the scourge of the entire community.

If you think that somehow compares to "Naziism" then the only thing more lacking than your historical knowledge is your perspective.

So, it's a personal failure if walmat puts local stores out of business, or there is a recession?

Half of the country are 2 or 3 missed paychecks from being homeless, or one argument with their drunken stepdad away from bring thrown out.

There would be less homelessness if companies paid a living wage, and landlords didn't gouge every last cent.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: JAGStorm

Build poor farms for the able bodied to earn their keep at and asylums for the mentally Ill homeless, same as the country used to. That would go a long way towards tackling the nation's drug issues, too.

That sounds like ... Socialism to me.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Actually, it was the British that reintroduced the idea of our modern interpretation of what constitutes a concentration camp during the Boer war of 1899-1902, same people who had a load of Victorian workhouses all over the nation until the middle of the last century.

But if you are proposing introducing such it will end the same, that's a given.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Actually, the tax payer funded subsidies to pick up the tab for rent control housing is what drives rental rates up in most cities.

The rest of it is all hyperbole and excuses. Walmart didn't jam the heroin needle into the bums arm or place the meth pipe in their pocket or turn them on to the "joy" of bottom shelf vodka. Those are personal choices and the consequences of those choices should not be born by society.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Then you should get your hearing checked.

a reply to: TheRedneck

"So how do you propose we solve that?"

Well for feck sake let an actual Human being tackle the issue as opposed to Trump.

It's the distribution of wealth and power that's the main contention where homelessness nevermind the associated problem that goes hand in hand with such are concerned.

The poor sods don't have any whilst 1% of American households own 40 percent of the country's wealth.

a reply to: andy06shake

Seems more beneficial than continuing to throw good money after bad as we presently do. What's the success rate for the various rehabilitation and treatment programs? Would society continue to piss away resources with those abysmal success rates on any other thing in this world? What's the logic in hemorrhaging money on lost causes?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Same could be said about a significant amount of the foreign aid that you hand out that seldom ever reaches its intended target audience.

As to the success rate and rehabilitation statistics, those probably vary dependant on the level of resources expended, nevermind the areas in question.

As to society continuing to piss away resources with abysmal success rates, well that's what the war on drugs and terrorism amounts to in spades.

Logically 1% of the people should not control nor wag the other 99% tail, but that's happening. nothing logical about the current socioeconomic predicament most first world nations are in, nothing logical at all.

a reply to: andy06shake

Well for feck sake let an actual Human being tackle the issue as opposed to Trump.

My bad; I assumed you were being serious. It's more about who tries to solve it than actually helping folks out, amirite?

Thanks for pointing out my error.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Well seriously it's not a problem that can be realistically tackled by anyone Man, Trump included.

The real error lies in the way our first world nations treat the weakest members of our society, especially when they have fallen upon hard times.

The homeless person's error lies with the fact that they exist in the situation that they do, forced to or otherwise.

Thing is we are all product of society, every last one of us.