You want proof of evolution at work, here it is.... Enjoy! (Observable and testable).

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Divergent Evolution. similar traits that evolve over time but have the same outcome to fit the need of their environment.

Edit: I have to expand a bit here. But convergence evolution is the answer you are looking for in terms of flight, or similar species evolving the 'same' sort of traits to achieve the same goal.

But my earlier statement is a big part of it as well, they go hand in hand.

a reply to: strongfp

Divergent evolution makes airplanes similar? Interesting.

OP made a claim, their post does not back it up even the slightest. Evolution can be 100% true and OP is still 100% wrong.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Airplanes aren't exactly biological evolution. But they surely did have a play in human evolution.

I think the main problem with the initial premise of this thread is that a guy who has never built a living organism thinks he knows the best way to do it.

Put up or shut up, dude

a reply to: Dfairlite

You are right, evolution does not explain the origins of life.
But that sort of mind set puts up a huge, massive concrete block in your path. If life were created by a 'god' who created the god?

The premise of a god means there was a before, and there must be an after. Which also means there must have been somewhat of a thought process to think of a deity, so where does this thought process come from?

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
Ok, everyone keeps asking for evidence of evolution, (Raggedyman, EdMC2)… Here’s some…

I watched a programme a few years back where they were dissecting a Giraffe. Was fascinating… this is the biggest thing I took from the programme:-

In humans, the vocal chord comes from the back of the voice box in the throat, down the neck, wraps around a ventricle of the heart, then travels all the way back up the neck and connects to the brain. This is clearly not the most efficient route and clearly would not be “designed” this way…

In Giraffe’s also, believe it or not, the chord travels all the way down the neck, round the heart and all the way back to the brain up the neck. As I am sure you will agree, had this been designed this would be a ludicrous route to take.

This all comes from our (Humans and Giraffe’s) common ancestor you see… When the first mammal slithered out of the oceans all those millions of years ago it was still effectively an amphibious creature, it just evolved/mutated enough to be able to breath air, it clearly gained an advantage from this transition… In fish this route that the chord takes IS the most economical route…

This clearly proves our relation to a common ancestor… To claim that this anomaly is DESGINED this way is ridiculous… If it is designed this way then your god is very bad at design....

Please discuss…

PA

Not sure how your post even remotely proves evolution. you're basically saying the same exact thing evolution states. I'm not against evolution, just not seeing how you provided any proof on the topic. I saw a show once about how angels are real and that they watch over people. So I guess that's proof of angels going by your logic and how you presented "proof" in your post.

To believe in human evolution you must believe that there was first a being able to survive long enough to feed itself into adult hood and somehow after the trillion in a chance lifetime of this life forming another life female version of this life must form not only that

it would also have come around in the exact same time period as the other. So even though it took over a million years to produce the first life it’d have a female mate to reproduce and that would only be one family, And one family cannot create an entire generation of species that would be incest and would create birth defects detrimental to procreation

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Dfairlite

You are right, evolution does not explain the origins of life.
But that sort of mind set puts up a huge, massive concrete block in your path. If life were created by a 'god' who created the god?

The premise of a god means there was a before, and there must be an after. Which also means there must have been somewhat of a thought process to think of a deity, so where does this thought process come from?

Humans are too arrogant god is something we simply cannot fathom, A bacteria on the wing of fruit fly that’s sitting in horse poop on the backsside of a wooden barn created by humans could not possibly fathom what god is, what makes you think you can? What makes you so special?

a reply to: sselemaN

Funny how without humans gods do not exist...

a reply to: strongfp

What type of environment causes a being to grow wings and why do monkeys have no wings?

a reply to: strongfp

You confine God to the limitations of man and the rest of his creation?
This is the limitation of your thought process?
It is absurd your premise is absurd based in ignorance and conceited.
To Be God aka the creator of the universe by definition, God would have had to existed before the universe and would not be subject to any of the limitations/laws/norms/etc. To confine God to such boundaries as time longevity the need to be created all of that is just wrong...
If you don’t want to believe in God that’s fine but if you want to contemplate his existence and capabilities you have to think a lot more than you are...
Here’s a hint everything that you deem to be reality would just be part of his construct...

"Bad design" eh?

No need to watch beyond 4:00 (better not actually):

This is related (just swap out "the vertebrate eye has a blind spot" with "In humans, the vocal chord comes from the back of the voice box in the throat, down the neck, wraps around a ventricle of the heart, then travels all the way back up the neck and connects to the brain." And "imperfect" with "not the most efficient" or even "ridiculous". And "the way things ought to be", if it was designed that is, with "clearly would not be designed this way", related to that is Kenneth Miller's "An intelligent designer... would choose"):

That's not saying that you were doing the exact same thing in the OP (in particular not nr. 3 as shown at 1:30; although I can't guess your line of thought there). But I linked the video concerning some of the other remarks he makes or quotations.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Nice fantasy there... so god existed before the universe?... meaning there was something?... and the universe is everything?... so before the universe, god was the universe?

Wait god is also timeless... so god, aka the universe, has always existed?

Seems to be turtles all the way down.

What real world application does this have?

a reply to: LSU2018
Not only have humans evolved from apes, mankind itself is nothing more then that deluded hairless ape species.

Though the way and contraptions of how any of that came about, is yet up for debate. But yes, your all just hairless monkeys, nothing more nothing less. That is nothing but obvious.

a reply to: puzzlesphere

You don’t need to convince me you are simple...

a reply to: whereislogic

I assume you are referring to the bit where he gives his OPINION on the "design" of the eye?... lol

The video is of him offering some flimsy ideas on design thinking, and weakly trying to suggest some of the potential design thinking behind the "design" of the eye (what?). It's odd to watch for the first 4 minutes because he gives no premise for his opinions, so you're not sure what his point is... then at around the 4 minute mark... BAM!... christianity... then the first 4 minutes makes complete sense. He is doing what many religious people do... trying to fit the evidence to his beliefs. (Why didn't you offer a description?... because you wanted to trick people into watching religious dogma?)

Well done! Your video of someone's religious opinions has knocked it out of the park! Clearly, based on this guy's wise words, the eye was designed. Case closed! No need for evidence! All you have to do is just look at it (pun intended), it's obviously too complex to have developed naturally over millions of years. Let's all accept god did it, complete and as is (he did that for every species, because he likes to tinker with his creation), and we shouldn't question how it woks, or how it got to be in it's current state. If god did it, we are not allowed to know how... apparently... couldn't have been evolution.

To answer your "eh?"... Yes... if it was designed (no evidence of design... lots for evolution)... it is bad design.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Extremely simple... I struggle believing complex fantasies about magical beings that tinker in the natural processes of the universe... I admit I am not capable of making the fantastical leaps of logic to be able to believe in an imagined god. Bravo Mr smart faith belief man!

I'm so simple that logic keeps getting in the way for me... I don't have faith that any human has ever conceptualised of god properly... and I simplistically keep asking for evidence... silly simple me... when I should be less simple and just accept the "un-evidenced fact" (oxymoron... oop, that must be me too) of god.

I'm simple... so can you point me in the direction of the correct god please?... there's so many to choose from!

One of them must be responsible for making all the creatures one at a time... right?

a reply to: puzzlesphere

The only honest thing you said there was the part about you being incapable, I already knew that though...

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: LSU2018
Not only have humans evolved from apes, mankind itself is nothing more then that deluded hairless ape species.

Though the way and contraptions of how any of that came about, is yet up for debate. But yes, your all just hairless monkeys, nothing more nothing less. That is nothing but obvious.

Thx for letting me know, I'll show them.