Are UFOs Descendants Of Advanced Humans Who Moved Under The Sea To Survive A Coming Cataclysm

a reply to: MissSmartypants

Don't know about those documents MissSmartypants but when it comes to historical reports of highly unusual objects submerged in, entering into or emerging from the world's oceans then there's quite a bit of testimony from naval officers, ship's captains, crewmen, coastguards, submariners, fishermen, airline pilots, policemen and sonar operators on this thread:

USO Research


The research of these two chaps is also well worth a look.

An almost forgotten gem of UFOlogy...Sanderson reminds us of the hard yet oft-forgotten fact of UFOlogy, which is, most UFOs seem inextricably connected with water - They are very frequently seen entering and leaving water, moving through or above water, and otherwise interacting with water. Sanderson explores all the implications of this, leading him to postulate that most UFOs are actually USOs - Unidentified Submerged Objects, and their pilots, these other intelligences (OINTS), may have evolved alongside of humanity but under the sea.

Forgotten UFO Researcher Ivan T. Sanderson.

And

"UFOs have approximately 75% of this planet in which to operate undetected.Adding another piece to the puzzle. From dissimilar puzzle pieces supplied by ufologists throughout the years of UFO history, a picture is starting to take shape. Ufologist Carl Feindt has not only contributed his own small piece, but he has also connected many of the previous pieces to form an enlightening and highly plausible theory.Feindt’s studies concern Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) that enter and exit the dense medium of water. This aspect aroused his curiosity, because while we humans do not understand alien science, we do know our water. This book contains cases from just about every type of body of water, from puddles to oceans. It opens a long-overlooked door to discover the operating principles of UFOs by closely observing water’s reaction to these craft and finding similarities among cases involving water.“[Carl Feindt] did an excellent job of describing the movement of UFOs in water, entering water, leaving water, and moving above the water...and what the water conditions can tell us about the mechanics of the operation of the vehicles.”

John F. Schuessler, Former International Director

Carl Feindt presentation

Cheers.

originally posted by: MissSmartypants


And as I mentioned earlier this takes care of the enormous distances and time that aliens would have to overcome to get here. And why what we thought were extra terrestrials are clearly primates as we are. They're not "humanoid". They're primates.

Also Mac Tonnies!

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As to 'building cities' under the sea, imagine the problems of building high pressure structures in the atmosphere. Buildings inevitably leak, corrode, rust.

Apparently certain shapes of glass are extremely strong under high water pressure and there's some pretty interesting speculation about covert undersea US Naval structures discussed below.

originally posted by: Maverick7
Watching shows about cryptids, ET, high strangeness cases are amusing, but one should be careful not to become obsessed.

The three-letter agencies have already admitted to using UFO-stories to cover their other activities. Looking for a leak, a tiny bit of information to find something that, if true, would be greatly apparent.

As to 'building cities' under the sea, imagine the problems of building high pressure structures in the atmosphere. Buildings inevitably leak, corrode, rust.

Though we have habitats underwater, they have to be maintained or they break down. Postulating that early humans built cities underwater is at best, difficult science-fiction, since building even ONE domed structure deep enough not to be seen, hit by ships, run into by submarines, and provided with undetectable light and power and oxygen and drinking water and be self-enclosed and self-supported is currently not possible for long.

I think it's safe to say that Prince Namor, or Aquaman are not, nor have they ever really 'lived under the Sea'.

There's 'Going down a Rabbit hole' and then there's this. It's a waste of time, when you consider all there is to learn.

Remember this is no diss on the OP. They're just reporting it.

Not as big of a stretch as you're trying to make it seem.

My point:
The Sentinelese.

We have space craft, jet fighters, cargo liners, magnetic rail trains, tasers, firearms, infrastructure for millions.

Yet... There are uncontacted groups of humans on this planet, who are not a part of the modern group of humanity. They have bows and arrows, feet, and isolation, no cars, no planes, no bicycles, no shoes, no modern equivalency.

This supposition is the same idea, but in this case, we are the Sentinelese.

For the Sentinelese to develop on their own, technologically to the same level as the rest of humanity, may be decades, hundreds, or even thousands of years, depending on how long their belief structure holds them back from investigating the weird boats, planes, and helicopters they see from time to time. Or from attempting to build them on their own.

I don't think it's a stretch to postulate the other direction.

One main argument against it, it is definitely a possibility.

That argument is - why are they letting us drop our crap on there head's, all that plastic and all those chemicals in the sea unless they are few in number and actually quite fearful of us, they may not be that advanced at all and the technology seen may be pretty much the same as they had when they tried to retreat to safer places on the planet away from our unpredictable environment either as you suggest at the bottom or BELOW the sea or elsewhere in the crust of our planet were there are apparently already vast natural cavern's though to do so they would have to have adapted to extreme pressures over generation's and may now not actually be able to survive in our low pressure and cold surface world.

At first they may have looked like us, over time they may have devolved/evolved into something quite different and even altered themselves but given that they would then live in a stable environment and only have artificial light sources they may have lost the use of clothing, perhaps to regulate there population if they had the technology they then adopted cloning and created a cast system in which case they probably resemble there own ancestors very little indeed both physically and psychologically.

If they ever venture into our environment they probably have to use some form of relieving chambers to adapt over time to the lower pressure and would need protective suit's or vehicles and other protections against the potential bio-hazards of our much more biologically diverse environment.

Likely there technology would have stagnated due to there potentially small population base, limited need for other technology than they actually had to use in that artificially regulated environment and likely very controlled society.

And if they do exist then it is possible that very few of there people know of OUR existence as a consequence, to let them know that there were other people living free and wild - compared to them - on the surface would create unpredictable outcomes if there were any free thinkers in there society and so they would probably opt to keep it quiet and due to there limited population, controlled society and likely ancient if still far more advanced pre-deluvian (or even far older) technology and machines of which they may also only have a relatively limited number and no easy way to make more they may be very afraid of both losing control of there own people and also xenophobic toward us and fearful of our own threat to them, if we knew were they were then they are fish in a barrel and they know it while we would be far harder for them to annihilate unless of course they brewed up a new plague or even found a way to engineer an asteroid strike - which would be just as dangerous to them if not indeed more so, perhaps such a society would not even have space capability even if they did have advanced craft for atmospheric travel - BUT if they are far older and there once surface civilization had once reached to some of the other worlds in our solar system AND perhaps beyond there reason for hiding may not be to hide from us?.

It's a big universe and our neighborhood of the Galaxy seem's very quiet meaning that either intelligent civilization's that we might be able to detect are very rare in our neighborhood OR someone else wiped them out.

It would also be why these "humans" are very interested in us. I was thinking about cow mutilation and why an advanced civ would need to do something like that. What we have done to the cow. An animal that used to be wild and where we have forced evolve to produce more and docile enough to where we can keep them in cramped living quarters without them losing their minds. If these "humans" are living in the crust. I don't see a better animal for them to be interested in.

Just a thought I had. I think it could add to the greater picture.

originally posted by: TheGhoul
It would also be why these "humans" are very interested in us. I was thinking about cow mutilation and why an advanced civ would need to do something like that. What we have done to the cow. An animal that used to be wild and where we have forced evolve to produce more and docile enough to where we can keep them in cramped living quarters without them losing their minds. If these "humans" are living in the crust. I don't see a better animal for them to be interested in.

Just a thought I had. I think it could add to the greater picture.

Well, cows are one of the biggest methane producers on our planet so raising them in enclosed spaces under the sea would require some serious odor control.

Nm

Interesting!!
Very curious idea, I'd love to know more.

a reply to: MissSmartypants

a reply to: MissSmartypants

One must ask oneself or yourself or whatever-why would this story be classified by the CIA to start with?

After the preamble, the story seems innocuous. Why declassify it? we know that the CIA get up to mischief-MK ULTRA comes to mind-so this story must have had some importance to be kept from the public.

Why?

originally posted by: MissSmartypants
There is a declassified CIA document called "The Story of Adam and Eve" (sorry I can't link from my phone) that basically states that 11,500 years ago the area under the earth's crust liquified, possibly because of something to do with the sun, and then the weight of the ice at the poles caused the entire earth's crust to shift suddenly and the land masses that were previously at the poles were then at the equator, and Antarctica and Greenland which had been in temperate zones were moved to near the poles where they are now, killing most of the life on the earth.
And adding that to the conjecture that advanced human civilizations had existed in the past, I propose that perhaps these advanced humans built cities deep in the oceans in advance of the coming cataclysm in order to survive and these ancient humans with an 11,000 year head start on technology are the UFOs the military has been observing. This fits with Tom DeLonge's latest tweet about the truth being both good news and bad...the good news, the UFOs are being operated by these advanced humans living in the depths of the oceans... and the bad news is these cataclysms are cyclical and we are due for another one. Just throwing this out there, is all.

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: MissSmartypants

One must ask oneself or yourself or whatever-why would this story be classified by the CIA to start with?

After the preamble, the story seems innocuous. Why declassify it? we know that the CIA get up to mischief-MK ULTRA comes to mind-so this story must have had some importance to be kept from the public.

Why?

The story was never classified, just the interviews of the people involved with the story.

To the underwater dome/pressure issue, I would just use LOX liquid oxygen gets around the deep pressure issue.

I swear it's been done in deep sea suits or I saw it in a movie.

I've always felt the time of the dinosaurs is not complete. I postulate the Dino's had intellect, we are seeing their return to earth millions of years later, and that is (some) UFO's. I have no facts to back it up other than time or rather parsecs.

a reply to: MissSmartypants

Well if there was and if they did survive the last few cataclysms. They sure dont seem to be to pressed to help there long lost cousins.

Probably went down like today, you had the Trump team lets call them team Anu and then the other team lets call them team Lam, and all kinds of nonesense going one. Then somebody said. Forget these chumps there little more then endless chattering monkies, lets get out of here and build our own basses under the sea. hashtag #forgetthedumies. And the movement took off and they created there own country under the sea.

And then some few thousands of years later. Here we are again.

Or its all aliens and turtles all the way down. And the greys will just introduce more people and repopulate this place after the next cataclysm as per there contract. And this experiment will go on.

Or. Well, take your pick. Just so many to choose from.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Can you please forward that you wrote to some good sci fi producer... I want to see that movie

originally posted by: TheGhoul
It would also be why these "humans" are very interested in us. I was thinking about cow mutilation and why an advanced civ would need to do something like that. What we have done to the cow. An animal that used to be wild and where we have forced evolve to produce more and docile enough to where we can keep them in cramped living quarters without them losing their minds. If these "humans" are living in the crust. I don't see a better animal for them to be interested in.

Just a thought I had. I think it could add to the greater picture.

Bovine DNA is used to execute nerve grafts which happen in conunction with Implantations of technology ,it helps fool our auto-immune system....our bodies power the implants.

Where you find bovine mutilations you will find alien abductions.As Govts and others well know already.

Although I am a real lover of ancient mysteries and thats what got me into studying ancient history and classical archaeology at university.

I just cant see it im afraid. I love the theory and the Idea that this is possible especially being an Atlantis believer.

But I cannot trust my own government to follow plans with what I have voted them into Parliment/congress.

So....
This information if really true wouldnt be readily available for us to read. I believe the CIA NSA even NASA all of them are so good at putting disinformation out there.

This is all to distract us from whats really going on, i believe anything you read or hear is what they allow. What is going on however i feel they keep from us because its so frightening and from a realm were your normal civilian just wouldnt fathom or comprehend its meaning.

But nonetheless a great read!
Thansk OP!

Before any one comments on my account, and this being my first post. Its not its a new account,
I have dabbled in the ATS forums for the last 4/5 years.

I just wish my memory was as good as this post to remember Login details.

a reply to: Spacespider

Hey it's open source if anyone out there want's to make something of it I did not even originate the idea's just posted them my way, and I got too long winded in my comment.

That said I always was intrigued by those cattle mutilation's TheGhoul mentioned, I always took them to be likely field biopsy study to check the affects of some classified accidental or experimental release of either pathogenic (Biological bacterial/viral), chemical or radiological release event (perhaps even a deliberate one), someone with a whole lot of money (and likely someone involved in the military stealth program so we are talking the US MIC here) equipped a stealth chopper with both stealth technology and also noise cancellation technology like a sophisticated version of those noise cancelling head rests you get in high end cars that makes the chopper silent in flight then they went out to affected or contaminated areas and took samples from the cattle.

Now there are story's also of Human mutilation and of that being covered up but less effectively in south america, so who ever is taking these biopsy samples and entire organ's is doing it to human's as well and that really smacks of MIC or a rogue element thereof acting outside of the law not only of there parent nation but internationally and so then play's back into the break away civilization argument's and beliefs that many on this site espouse.

The Eye's would suggest we may be talking about a release or exposure to an agent that is air born and it is likely that it has of course spread far beyond there control experimentation/control zone.

As to the general public being used as guinea pig's it happen's all the time and included large scale biological experiment's on the general public such as for example off the coast of England and in America and France vast portions the population being deliberately exposed to bacterial and viral strain's for such mediocre reason's as to see how fast infection spreads through city's and how far it spreads in a period of time to mind control and even radiation experiments upon the public in the US, one case in France which the CIA (or allegedly or a rogue element - the KGB probably did far worse) have had there finger pointed at them for resulted in a number of fatality's as well.
www.voltairenet.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.abreureport.com...

Sometime's as can be seen here the people whom are supposed to be the protectors are in fact fox's guarding the lamb's and the hen coup.

But in most such cases there was a sick and twisted ideology behind it which justified there actions to themselves such as finding out how fast a disease would spread if an enemy used a biological weapon so a ship moored off the coast of England sprayed disease laced water into the air to create an aerosol cloud that floated over a British coastal city just to see how many people got sick and how fast it spread.

Not all of those cattle mutilation cases need an alien to be responsible but who know's, some account's are very strange indeed but then there are the more down to earth explanation's (which may be even more horrible).
One of many threads about black choppers this one from ATS and of no important relevance just the first a quick search on the net turned up.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
A simply video about noise cancellation.

Basically put microphone's close to the source of the noise in this case the helicopter engine, then put powerful speakers that make just as much noise as the engine out on boom's a bit further away from the engine, sample the noise the engine makes with the microphones and invert the noise wave then put that out of the speakers so that the inverted noise cancel's out the engine sound, the helicopter then sound's completely silent and if it's done to military specification there is no sound window for noise to slip out of the cancellation bubble, you would still have wind below the helicopter.
Of course there are three group's that would want this tech, military - had it at least since the 60's or 70's, the Intelligence services and of course private entity's involved with either or both of these and whom probably developed the tech for them.

originally posted by: Vicious1
I am starting to think that the whole Unidentified Observations of things unknown to us could be creations of all our colonized creative thoughts. It could be something mass hysterically we produce when many minds think about something odd out of our stream of our rational thought processes.

This new "Tic-tac" UFO trend just could prove what i am getting at. Not saying it's not real, it very could be real and a product of of mass mental hysteria projection.
What I am saying is if enough people human beings think about something it get's produced somehow magically, supernatural or others ways we do not understand yet? What could be happening is a lot of minds will something into existence.

When you you see the video of the "tic-tac" the way it it moves and the accounts of the object being devoid of any form, seams and structure.
Could this just be something mass hysteria and the human mind actually on a broad scale into existence? Kinda like the whole ask the universe meme?

Are we at the point where we as a group with the whole " I want to Believe" That we are actually creating distortions of time and space? Is this how we evolve to the next step though are own facades?

I've been thinking this myself lately.

If maybe we're finding black holes and other things now, not because they were there, but that they are there now because we looked for them.

Same for many other things. Kind of like the split wave/observed universe theory thing.
We've shown, at least for now, that just observing something can manipulate it. (although 10 years or even 100 years from now someone could prove that to be all wrong. the joys of GOOD science.)

Who knows maybe once the Earth WAS the centre of the Universe. But now it's not because some dude came along and made sound arguments and and did some maths and convinced enough people to make it into a body that now orbits the Sun.

I mean I now have people like Degrassi Tyson saying crap like there are possibly an infinite number of me's in the (Multi)Universe. Here I am a human. But elsewhere there is a me that is a 1m square Rubiks cube.

It's crazy stuff. But in a way, if we are a simulation, just a glorified GTA or The Sims. Who is to say what is possible?

End of the day none of us know. Not Hawking, not Einstein, not Degrassi-Tyson and definitely not Bill Nye the stand up comic pretending to be a science guy.

Science used to give answers, now it's just raising more questions. The more we know the less sense it makes.
Maybe time to go back to less theory and more facts in our science?

Only thing I am sure of at the end of the day is I exist here and now (My consciousness at least). And I really do not know what I am.
Where do I begin and end. How big am I? How wide is my mind/soul/consciousness? Does it weigh anything?

Anyways..... does an underwater civilisation human or otherwise exist? I doubt it by what I believe I know of science as we understand it.

I'm more likely to say it's us projecting it or that maybe it's like Pacific Rim and there are door ways under da sea.

Then again. If what we thought was true made it real. I've imagine we'd of seen a bunch of gods and unicorns walking around the streets by now.
I mean you probably have throughout history had more people believe in Gods than Black Holes and under water Aliens after all.

Geezus, imagine if it is all a mass think projection. We're #ed if Flat Earth becomes popular. lol

Maybe the secret is to learn why the Universe is even here to begin with. Why we exist and have 'intelligence'.
Maybe if we work those out once and for all, the rest of the answers may follow?

I dunno. Fun subjects to discuss regardless.

Does anyone have a link to a study, or does anyone have any information, at all on how atmospheric temperature increases can have an insulating, or warming effect on the Earths core, or mantle?