US-Mexico border deaths lower per year under Trump than Obama, data shows

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

251 was obamas lowest number.


Lower then trumps so far.

Your assuming trumps numbers wont raise. I am not saying they will raise. They might get even lower than 251.
My point is we don't know yet and using two years of data to bash 8 years of data is silly spin propaganda stuff.
Ats is better than that.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Maybe the percentage of people trying who actually made it was higher.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Maybe the numbers from the Obama Administration are fudged and actually much higher ❓

a reply to: scraedtosleep

The point you keep trying to make is irrelevant.

Who cares who has, or will have more deaths in the end?

The point is deaths have been occuring long before Trump became president. Not only should the selective outrage be telling you something, but it should be of more concern to you -- not who has more bodies.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: scraedtosleep

The point you keep trying to make is irrelevant.

Who cares who has, or will have more deaths in the end?

The point is deaths have been occuring long before Trump became president. Not only should the selective outrage be telling you something, but it should be of more concern to you -- not who has more bodies.

Why are people cheering deaths at all? Or politicizing it.
What's happening at the border is a sad reality, and we should all be looking at solutions to stop the deaths, stop the trafficking etc.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

8 years vs 3 years.

So we don't know yet who will have more deaths on their hands.

The article says it ranged from 251 to 471 but that 471 number was just that one year. What was the average?

283 in 2018, according to Border Patrol data.

So one of the years when obama had only 251 deaths that number would be lower than trumps 2018, 283 deaths.

My point is you should at least wait till trumps out of office before you compare stats like this.

251 is sure a lot of dead immigrants. Mr Obama could of, and should have done a better job. He should have had none, with his idrology. Something must be wrong. Those stats must be fake news. he is a very good , loving Christian Gentleman, and his number should have been closer to zero.

I wasn't aware that there were more deaths under Obama. That is interesting news. I feel it may be true too, that kind of deception by the left is expected I suppose. I have never seen so much deception in politics during my lifetime. Both sides did it a little but the left wants a trophy for being the best deceivers.

Hillary was the best deceiver, but somehow Trump won by a lot of states, so now the Dems want to change the way that they elect the president, basically getting rid of the safe guard of the electoral college. We cannot let that happen.

a reply to: scraedtosleepThe thing is that there were only half the immigrants hitting the border under Obama so that means that his numbers should be half of what Trump's numbers are. The thing is that this is not even about Trump, it is about allocated money having to go twice as far now than before.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

The point you keep trying to make is irrelevant.

What point do you think I'm making?

The point is deaths have been occuring long before Trump became president.

And they continue under him.

So what's really changed?

You know the op only made this thread as an obama bad trump good circle jerk right?

a reply to: visitedbythem

It actually is weird.

He had the lowest number in the last 21 years at 251 but also had the highest number in 21 years at 471.

I would like to know what about the details that lead to those two numbers. I have no idea how to even start looking for that info though.

If trumps numbers get super high or low I think you would want to know the details as well. I would.

251 is sure a lot of dead immigrants. Mr Obama could of, and should have done a better job.

Totally agree. Modern day america can't figure out how to stop people from dieing on our doorstep. That's terrible.

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: scraedtosleepThe thing is that there were only half the immigrants hitting the border under Obama so that means that his numbers should be half of what Trump's numbers are. The thing is that this is not even about Trump, it is about allocated money having to go twice as far now than before.

Your right if the numbers were higher.

But this report www.cbp.gov...

Says that in 2017 when trump had 298 deaths that

In FY17, CBP recorded the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record1 , as measured by apprehensions along the border and inadmissible encounters at U.S. ports of entry.

This report from dhs shows that in 2018 it was still low and not till 2019 did it suddenly raise. We don't have the death number for 2019 yet.
www.cbp.gov...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
How many children died in border security custody during the Obama Administration? I believe we have 7, so far, under Trump.

If there were more deaths under Obama/Biden, and thousands more children were held under Obama, guess what? More would have died. But your left-wing media would of course not report it. Not to mention the FACT that the Obama administration released many of these children to human traffickers.

Not to mention the fact that left-wingers like yourself continue to wrongly claim "It's because of Trump and his administration..." When the truth is completely different...

For example...

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Twitter's 'AG Conservative' (who is worth a follow) noted that in story after story, headline after headline, wrongdoing by US officials was at least implied. In truth, the young girl had been severely deprived of sustenance for days prior to being taken into custody in a remote area, at which point American border patrol officers and support staff attempted to save her life. After being manually revived twice, she was transported by air to a hospital, where she died. Those verifiable facts did not stop a former press secretary for Bernie Sanders from spreading patently false information, which went viral -- and was shared by newly-minted leftist icon Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:
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The Truth Emerges: US Border Patrol Not Responsible For Young Girl's Death, Her Father Confirms

In the above case the girl hadn't been given ANYTHING to eat or drink for several days while traveling through a desert, which unfortunately caused her death. This is similar to parents leaving their children in a car in summer... But of course morons will always try to use such tragedies and blame the wrong person/people for political motives...

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
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Why are you guys even defending the death toll under trump at all.?

471 deaths obama is a murderer!!
298 deaths trump is a good guy trying to do the best he can.
Why not call them both out?
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Because neither one is responsible for those people whom died. You know who is responsible? The people who decided on their own to move illegally into the U.S. by traveling through various countries, through jungles, and deserts knowing they would not have enough food or water and that the trip is dangerous...

Illegal immigrants aren't being forced to go through jungles and deserts with barely anything, or nothing at all to eat and drink... THEY ARE CHOOSING TO DO SO ON THEIR OWN VOLITION...

The point of the thread is to show that the same thing was happening under Obama/Biden, despite leftists keep trying to blame Trump and his administration...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So, you can't answer the questions? How many children died in Border Security custody during the Obama Administration? How many children that were separated from their parents did the Obama administration lose?

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Now count in the current trend of rising numbers and you are left with lesser deaths. That is, if it is not a ratio figure like 90people per 10,000 but actually the overall death count.

Fun how statistics can be spun and misinterpeted for any purpose right? Just leave out one thing and suddenly ...

The media and many progressives don't care about these people. It wasn't a story under Obama, because Obama was god. Trump is in office so now it's a story. These people are nothing but political pawns to the media and many progressives.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So, you can't answer the questions? How many children died in Border Security custody during the Obama Administration? How many children that were separated from their parents did the Obama administration lose?

So like always you can't use your head at all. There were more deaths under Obama than under Trump so far. Illegal children were still being detained and more illegal children were crossing the border under Obama, at one point possibly even up to 30,000. Children are more susceptible to dying from exposure, lack of liquids, etc. But under the Obama administration not one illegal child died?... Really?... That makes no sense.

If under the Obama administration more illegal children were brought across the border, and if more adult illegals died under Obama, except in one year, then logic would dictate that more children should have died under Obama, since children are more susceptible to dying from exposure and lack of liquids, etc. But instead there are no reports "of not one illegal child dying under Obama even though they had to go through the same desert and jungles illegal children have to go through now which have caused some children to die"?

What this shows is a cover up under the Obama administration. Obama also claimed his administration would be transparent, but we all know that the opposite happened and his administration was more secretive, spied on political opponents more than any administration before it, and used government agencies to go after political opponent groups and individuals.

originally posted by: face23785
The media and many progressives don't care about these people. It wasn't a story under Obama, because Obama was god. Trump is in office so now it's a story. These people are nothing but political pawns to the media and many progressives.

There were some news sites, including left-wing sites like Mother Jones, reporting the conditions that illegal children were in under Obama, but the left in general didn't care because their savior was at the wheel. We didn't see massive protests from the left regarding how children and illegal adults were being treated, even when at least one court argued that the conditions were "deplorable." The left-wing media also didn't make this news 24/7 when Obama was in charge even though it was under his orders and Biden's orders that Walmarts were being transformed into detention centers.

Some of you might not remember that there were several threads exposing these the transformation of these detention centers and many, mostly the left, didn't want to believe it was happening.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Do you have an answer or not?

How many children died while in Border Security custody, during the Obama Administration, after they were ripped from their parents arms for nothing more that illegal entry? Under Trump, it's 7 in just less than a year.

How many children that were separated from their families did the Obama administration LOSE?

Under Trump, it's thousands.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

The Obama administration failed to protect thousands of Central American children who have flooded across the U.S. border since 2011, leaving them vulnerable to traffickers and to abuses at the hands of government-approved caretakers, a Senate investigation has found.
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Obama administration placed children with human traffickers, report says

As for "children being ripped from their parents, despite claims it was not happening from left-wingers IT WAS HAPPENING UNDER OBAMA...

Where are the adults in these pictures?...









AGAIN WHERE WERE YOUR DEMANDS WHEN THIS HAPPENED UNDER OBAMA?? WHERE WAS YOUR OUTRAGE?? POST LINKS TO THREADS AND POSTS OF YOURS IN THESE FORUMS SHOWING YOUR RAGE AND OUTRAGE...

Hypocrites... You don't give a crap about any of these children, you just care about using them for your political agenda...