NYTimes reports on conditions in US Immigrant Children Camps and says conditions are really bad

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Asylum seekers are fleeing their homes and running for their lives.

Sigh...

90%+ of them are not truly asylum seekers, they are gaming the system.

And, in doing so, hurting actual asylum seekers who now have to wait longer to get through the clogged asylum process. And liberals support this false claiming of asylum to facilitate even more illegals entering the country. They support hurting people who really need asylum. And they're the "compassionate" ones.

It's such total bs, everything is turned on its head.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: vonclod
When you put someone into federal custody, you(figuratively) are responsible for their care, they become a ward of the state..understand?

When trying to care for thousands of people who should not even be here, it takes money... understand?

When certain people in Congress refuse to fund the BP to provide the funding they need to care for the people in custody, the fact that there is no money to provide basic care for them is on those people in Congress... understand?

Besides... if you read, you'll find the conditions are not as bad as the article makes it sound.

You'll also read that BP agents are paying for things out of their own pockets...

So, go yell at the democrats in Congress who are refusing to properly fund the BP.

That would require actual independent thinking and open-mindedness. You're talking to people who have been brainwashed for years, some for decades, into thinking Republicans are all evil racists and Democrats are totally altruistic and have nothing but other people's interests at heart. You're not gonna break through that.

It's still good to dispute their nonsense for other people who are reading the thread though.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
The Northern Triangle is one of the world’s most violent areas, with drug trafficking, gangs and other actors of organized crime fueling a high regional murder rate. In 2015, a total of 17,422 murders were committed across the Northern Triangle countries. The region is home to around 31 million people, but the violence has been causing a mass exodus of Central Americans trying to illegally enter the United States every year.

So... sounds like these countries need to clean up their acts.

But again - there is a legal definition of the requirements for claiming asylum.

These conditions don't meet the requirements.

If you think they should, go advocate for changing the legal definition to include them, then we'll have something to discuss.

Nope. The libs are so smart they get to decide what laws are good and any laws they don't like can just be disregarded. Coincidentally, only laws that interfere with their quest for power are bad.

a reply to: tanstaafl

These conditions don't meet the requirements.

What do you mean by "these conditions" and why don't they meet the requirements.

a reply to: face23785

The libs are so smart they get to decide what laws are good and any laws they don't like can just be disregarded. Coincidentally, only laws that interfere with their quest for power are bad.

You just described President Trump and his administration! He doesn't want to comply with the Flores Settlement. He wants those pesky immigration laws changed. He wants to get rid of immigration judges He want Congress to get rid of asylum laws, family reunification and lottery visas.

It's the Trump administration disregarding subpoenas and thumbing their nose at the rule of law, not the libs.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Sookiechacha

BTW, since it's obvious you are blind as well. The Obama administration did not give blankets to many of the children in cages, many only had tinfoil for blankets and slept with a #ty matress, or even nothing else but a dirty blanket on the floor...

Since at least 2009-2010 the Obama administration had ALL illegal children and their parents living in these conditions...

From:

By WNN Editors Team on August 25, 2014
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Unaccompanied child migrants face extra trauma once inside U.S.

From:

Marcelo Suárez-Orozco | August 25, 2014
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UCLA faculty voice: Immigration is a family matter

From:

Obama's Illegal Detention Centers

From:

Prayer for the Week July 20 2014 Help for Immigrant Children in Detention

I could keep on going showing these photos, Obama was doing this since around 2009-2010 until the end of both his administrations, but there were no massive protests by left-wingers, and you were not demanding what you are of your current POTUS, Trump...

Where were you then protesting that Obama allowed illegal children to be separated from their parents and lived in such horrid conditions?...

Are you telling us that president Obama put those poor children into concentration camps too? /sarc

If the left's defining of concentration camps today fits the detention centers, then it should also be used to describe the centers setup by the last administration too.

a reply to: Krakatoa

The difference is that those were accompanied minors, and Trump's concentration camp are filled with children who were ripped from their parents as a punishment and a deterrent for claiming asylum and looking for refuge.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: face23785

The libs are so smart they get to decide what laws are good and any laws they don't like can just be disregarded. Coincidentally, only laws that interfere with their quest for power are bad.

You just described President Trump and his administration! He doesn't want to comply with the Flores Settlement. He wants those pesky immigration laws changed. He wants to get rid of immigration judges He want Congress to get rid of asylum laws, family reunification and lottery visas.

It's the Trump administration disregarding subpoenas and thumbing their nose at the rule of law, not the libs.

Oh you mean they've been denying people their due process hearings and just deporting people en masse without trial?

No, none of that happened. The administration is actually following the law. Meanwhile, they are advocating for the law to change, which is what you're supposed to do when you don't like the law. Meanwhile, liberal cities are flagrantly disregarding the law with their sanctuary policies because they don't like the law. You've got everything backwards. But it's okay, projection has become ya'lls best talent.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa

The difference is that those were accompanied minors, and Trump's concentration camp are filled with children who were ripped from their parents as a punishment and a deterrent for claiming asylum and looking for refuge.

Meanwhile, in real life:

Migrant children being used as commodities. You are encouraging this because it fits your politics. The more illegals the better, even if they have to kidnap and use kids that aren't theirs so they can claim to be a family unit.

You make me sick. Take the partisan blinders off for one minute.

a reply to: face23785

Many European children were also shipped to the USA before, during and after the world wars, unaccompanied or with distant relatives or friends. Central America is like a war zone. Desperate situations call for desperate remedies.

a reply to: face23785

well its not illegal to seek asylum so I dont know that they can be considered illegals.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

More driving looking in the rear view mirror.

Obama is not president any more.

Deal with that . Its what is going on right now that matters.

1500 kids were removed from a facility in Texas today.... and 100 were returned to the same exact place they were taken from.

What was that? A little day trip for amusement?

a reply to: carewemust

Meanwhile, our very own Congress wants a pay-raise... for doing what?

having to tolerate trump is reason enough.

a reply to: xuenchen

I guess we finally got them to pay for a wall then?
LOL..

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

well its not illegal to seek asylum so I dont know that they can be considered illegals.

Yes, if they seek asylum at an official port of entry...not after they've been caught jumping the fence in the middle of the night.

a reply to: face23785

Oh you mean they've been denying people their due process hearings and just deporting people en masse without trial?

I didn't say that. But that is Trump's goal.
Trump Attacks Immigration Laws, Calls For Deportations Without Trials www.huffpost.com...



What I did say is that Trump and his administration has no respect for the rule of law, and thumb their nose at the law while holding innocent people hostage to make Congress change immigration laws that protect immigrants refugees and asylum seekers or give him money for projects they disagree with.

a reply to: Flatcoat

Wrong.

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.

www.uscis.gov...


It doesn't matter if they hopped a fence. swan across the Rio Grande or came in through ports of entry.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Since when are you in charge?

Or as my dear old mother used to say.... who died and left you boss?

a reply to: hiddeninsite

It was a joke. I was simply doing what the leftists here do to us on immigration. Rather than have a reasonable debate, we're called nazi's and told we are running concentration camps. It's ridiculous isn't it. So I put the shoe on the other foot to illustrate the absurdity of the whole idea. I don't know you and I doubt you're racist. I don't care if you're white black blue yellow brown or purple. You could be racist regardless, but you're probably not. Racism is not really an issue we have in the 21st century.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Flatcoat

Wrong.

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.

www.uscis.gov...


It doesn't matter if they hopped a fence. swan across the Rio Grande or came in through ports of entry.

No, according to your link, "affirmative asylum" refers to people entering legally and then seeking asylum. "Defensive asylum" is for people who "hopped a a fence or swam across the Rio Grande" and are facing deportation.

A defensive application for asylum occurs when you request asylum as a defense against removal from the U.S. For asylum processing to be defensive, you must be in removal proceedings in immigration court with the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).

Were apprehended (or caught) in the United States or at a U.S. port of entry without proper legal documents or in violation of their immigration status, OR Were caught by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) trying to enter the United States without proper documentation, were placed in the expedited removal process, and were found to have a credible fear of persecution or torture by an Asylum Officer. See Questions & Answers: Credible Fear Screenings for more information on the Credible Fear Process.

So basically were caught and only then sought asylum.